In the digital age, it's going to be harder for ICE agents to hide their identities than it was for Nazis trying to evade justice post WW2.
They did it during Black Lives Matter. Would cover their faces, remove their badges, and use rental cars to pull people off the street and disappear them. It's happening now with ICE.
To be clear:
ICE agents have home addresses. They have lives away from work. People in their lives, from family members to acquaintances, who have direct knowledge of them being ICE agents.
Start collecting identifying information, that will help apprehend them after this regime falls.
When this regime falls; they won't permit being voted out of office.
We went to Centennial park in Atlanta and were actually relieved to see the National Guard deployed there (summer 2020) because it meant that we would be less likely to be shot
We need a wiki where regular people can document and store evidence on the nazis, fascists and enablers currently destroying America. Not just ICE, but everyone. A place where sleuths can unmask and put a name on the worst of them. Where hackers can upload ICE payroll or employee databases. Perhaps even put together an interactive map showing where these people live so their neighbors can be safe.
Once the bastards see their names in print with proof of their crimes out in public perhaps they'll realize how short their future is. Otherwise it'll come in handy for the trials.
Be the change you want to see.
Start documenting.
Something like that would have to be ultimately physically hosted by someone outside the US to prevent it from being shut down so... Anyone got any foreign friends u/Hexonxonx@lemmy.dbzer0 can talk to?
Can we do it playing card style like they did with the 9/11 terrorists and pick them off one by one for funsies?
Like these websites that HF made. BTW, it's been a few months since I've seen these, and there is a new button at the bottom that says if you are on their site and want to be removed, click there. It takes you to a form where you can upload evidence that you have resigned or been fired before they will remove you.
Isn't this essentially WikiLeaks?
I don't think it really falls in the same category, but I do think a similar wiki format would work.
Consider hosting it over Tor
Yes, make it digital and public so it can be easily hacked, infiltrated, seized, and deleted.
Brilliant.
I doubt next democratic admin will do anything about it.
Y'all got too much faith in the regime.
If maybe if AOC gets it, but they will neuter her
We haven't had a real president since JFC.... Just useful regime whores
I don't think there's gonna be a Nuremberg trials this time around
The trials will be home brewed.
Americans don't like being told what to do by foreigners.
This time around though, there will be no appeasement that allows for a Southern Strategy again.
Well you're certainly more optimistic than me.
Don't have to wait for trials. Operation anthropoid is an example of some chads taking matters into their own hands.
Sorry to say that the fast majority of German Nazis did not only get off without any form of repercussions after 1945, they often even kept their jobs in government. The Nürnberg and subsequent trials only covered the high profile cases, that had not successfully fled. For the Nürnberg trials that were 22 people, while the subsequent trials only found 2,500 of 100,000 arrested Germans guilty of war crimes. Of those only 177 were tried, 142 were convinced and 25 were sentenced to death. These numbers also exclude the 1,600 German scientists, engineers and technicians that the US government took with project paperclip.
And it wasn't for a lack of documents.
There are a surprising amount of German surnames in Argentina and Brazil
Those were the evil Germans immigrating after the war. Not to be confused with the fine upstanding Ohio Hitlers.
One stay in Germany and become the rector of a managerial university, died in 2000ish with national funeral
You are a source of joy to the regime.
They very much enjoy all discussion that suggests that they can do what they want, and get away with it.
Excellent work on discouraging resistance.
What? I'm saying the Nürnberg trials should have been much larger and stricter. I'm saying don't just hope that some outside force will bring justice, because historically that just won't happen. It's just coping. It is not resistance.
The reaction to these old Nazis remaining in power lead to the founding of the RAF, who decided to actually do something about it. If necessary with violence. It's a fascinating piece of history that explains why Germany, despite the defeat, remained pretty conservative and it's justice system remained "blind on it's right eye".
If you make a historical comparison, maybe read up on it instead of getting mad at someone pointing out a misconception.
You can evade justice if your Reich lasts long enough.
It's sad when old corrupt criminals just outlive any repercussions, and the systems that shields them becomes the norm.
Let's see how long this one lasts against one of the most well armed civilian populations in history, who have been fed a steady diet of the Right to Bear Arms, and Stand Your Ground.
The regime will be fucked the first time their ICE agents try to scoop a Don't Tread on Me type in the middle of the night, and get a bullet salad for their troubles.
By now, even the most fervent supporters can see that if one of them gets scooped by mistake, there is zero mechanism to correct it, and they're as good as dead.
More violence is coming to USA, that seems a given, but daily shootouts just means more resources to the "militia" the gov uses/chooses to use. And that can get normalised. And the percentage of gun-owners killed vs ICE agents killed acceptable (basically nobody can reasonably fight off an armed force on their own, it's logistics, not a shonen match). Good TV news tho.
There is no deterrent in ICE getting shot on the job (that doesn't affect Washington at all), the deterrent would be gun owners grouping together & taking on the gov as a force.
The regime will be fucked the first time their ICE agents try to scoop a Don’t Tread on Me type in the middle of the night, and get a bullet salad for their troubles.
"Fucked" how? You think they'll give a shit? MAGA people will just say the person deserved it, or was a secret liberal or some bullshit to justify it.
Even if WW2 was won by Germany, nazis were the targets of assassinations. They would not have been safe for the rest of their life.
These are going to be an easy Nuremberg Trials once we get past this
Are you saying that USA will find itself in Germany again?
How is the WiFi in Argentina these days
there should be publicized webpages of all ice and cbp agents all over the internet. just dox them all and their families.
Perhaps a federated platform for it?
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How so? Masked men grabbed Rumeysa Ozturk off the street, caught on camera and even questioned by passers by. I haven't seen their identites released, and I don't see how it will happen unless the federal government wants it to happen.
You're speaking of the now.
I'm speaking about after this regime falls, and it's time to to account for the crimes against humanity.
That’s so bold of you to assume they’re making the high school bullies do their own paperwork.
We couldn’t even get them to fill out a single page card for the national crime database.
They can just scrub everything before they lose power. Remind me what happened with the phones of the Secret Service when they were investigating Trump?
They are using Signal as we've seen with Leaky Pete. Signal deletes all the info automatically after some time. Since it's an end to end encrypted messaging app nobody can recover those messages. Not even Signal themselves. Who's to say they aren't using in other instances as well.
And finally, Trump can pardon the lot of them and they will never see justice.
Weren't the Nazis meticulous about their records? The new crop know better than to leave a paper trail
Then they’ll still need border guards, soldiers, police, judges. The “good German soldier” myth was created because if every Nazi were to be prosecuted, the nation would be paralysed.
At the same time though, now that things like that are already out in the open it's going to be a lot harder. I've already seen videos of people yelling at cops that are harassing and questioning alleged immigrants.
The video of Rumeysa being disappeared is so chilling. The passers by asking why they are covering their faces. They say they are police, but they are not wearing uniforms. It's hard to hear in the video for me, but they're just wrangling her like an animal. Taking her bag off of her back while she is terrified and turning in circles. Where is due process for anything? (This question is rhetorical. Sad that constitutional enforcement is a rhetorical point now.)