Stumbled upon this in the France community when browsing Local. Needs to be shared wider.
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/2694719
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/2685916
OK, c’est pas vraiment "l’image du jour". Elle correspond plus à la période troublée que nous traversons actuellement.
An important distinction is security for whom? When a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie passes some piece of security legislation, their sole concern is security for the rich elite, not the commoners. In that case, oppression of the people is not an unintended consequence of the legislation going wrong like this image suggests, we're collateral damage at best and the intended victims of the legislation at worst.
The Marxism/Privacy intersectional analysis is something I never expected to see. But I welcome it with open arms.
I'm glad this community isn't just right-wing libertarian tinfoil-wearing loonies.
But the FrEe MaRkEt!! Or something. Yeah, I don’t miss the /r/conservative idiots either.
Too much security and the general public loses their human rights.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/03/21/police-tesla-attacks/
We reached out to Chicago Police Department to confirm whether the officers in the picture were deployed to protect the dealership on March 8 and whether any arrests were made. We await the department's reply.
Trump and Musk both commented on the attacks. Posting on X, Musk called (archived) the attacks, "insane and deeply wrong."
Trump said on Truth Social on March 20 that: "People that get caught sabotaging Teslas will stand a very good chance of going to jail for up to twenty years, and that includes the funders. WE ARE LOOKING FOR YOU!!!"
Oh yeah, Trump? Well, come near anyone to defend those fucking nazimobiles (provided there was no one in them, I'm not crazy) over people and see how long you last. This is war, doesn't matter that you're a handful of people with a shitton of money, WE WILL END YOU.
The article itself fits, thank you.
Eh, one can't really make a decent analysis using vague abstract ideals like 'liberty' and 'security'.
In some ways, security is liberating! For example, some religions have anonymous (private) confessionals and electoralism has anonymous private ballot booths to encourage freedom in voting. I don't know if I'd be as honest online if I knew people with too much time and money could track my posts back to my real identity and harass me. And without security, these privacies would be merely illusions (see: deanonymization)
And obviously, on the other hand, state security understandably sees certain personal liberties (like downloading bomb-making guides and then buying fertilizer) as a risk beyond the liberty they're willing to permit. Corporate security might see user anonymity techniques as a legitimate fraud/bot risk. I've picked diverse and good-faith examples to demonstrate, there's plenty of midground and abusive examples of both, don't worry, I know. (I left reddit many years ago partly for privacy reasons, no need to preach to the choir).
I guess my point is, security and liberties don't necessarily contradict. But if you have governments and corporations run by the owning class, they have a material interest in suppressing your liberties for their own security. To make that appealing and tolerable, they have an incentive to rebrand this as being about your security. I've been in protests that obviously wouldn't harm a fly and the police presence is consistently absurd. It's clearly not actually about any of our security, or even the security of property owners, but rather the security of the bourgeois owning class and their way of life.
That's missing the context of when this image was edited and posted online (post 2015 Charlie Hebdo attacks when the government went full authoritarian)
Thanks, I didn't realize that was the context.
i came to say that we can definitely have both. thank you for explaining this thoroughly.
Anyone know the source of this version? I've seen several similar versions over the years. And what is the hat representing, since that's new to me.
It's a cap reused by the French revolution. A woman with such cap represents Marianne, the personification of the French Republic.
More accurately labeled Liberalism and Fascism
Idk why this made me remember the early L'Echo de Savanes
Okay, but what if I depict security as a pug?
What I'm saying is I'm having trouble with the initial premise, not necessarily the conclusion.
The pug becomes rabid and bites you. You succumb to rabies because you couldn't afford the $2000 for the rabies vaccine. Not that you have any paid sick time to take to go see the doctor anyways. You're living paycheck to paycheck and couldn't afford to fall behind at all.
While this is essentially true, IMO it's become a bit of a distraction. The immediate problem we face today is technology.
In the 90s, people believed technology (i.e. the internet) would protect liberty against power (or "security"). We thought that removing the barriers to information would put our rulers in a goldfish bowl where we could keep an eye on them. It was a reasonable expectation. But it turns out to be us in the goldfish bowl.
It seems those with power simply have more time and resources available for surveillance. And now the technology is reaching a point where rulers will soon have awesome tools at their disposal, and they're sure gonna be tempted to use them.
Our problem is technology. Not sure how to put a positive spin on this. Technology itself will provide some solutions. But IMO it's more important than ever to get involved in politics. In any appropriate way.
Technology is not the problem, it is a tool. As with any other tool, it can be misused; that doesn't make the tool the source of the problem. There is nothing inherent about technology that means it must be used for evil.
The real problem is how capitalist industry uses that tool, and every other tool at their disposal, to exploit and discard humans, and the collateral social and environmental damage wrought by that system.
Capitalism is the nefarious problem with technology, not the technology itself.
There is nothing inherent about technology that means it must be used for evil.
Sure. In theory. But there are things we know about humans and their weaknesses, and these things are not going to change overnight (except perhaps in the fever dreams of some Marxists, of whom you might be one). Technology of this power did not exist before, and now it does. So technology is indeed the proximate problem.
May a thousand dinosaurs eat the french
Climate change will consume us all, so this is true in a way.
French fries, shorly.
No they'd give the dinos indigestion >:(
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.“
Based and 2A pilled.
—Chuck Norris
Fuck Chuck Norris in his Maga supporting and Christo fascist face.
No, the more bad ass Ben Franklin.
-Wayne Gretzky