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Trump’s US doesn’t just think Europe is obsolete – it wants to see it dead

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Trump’s US doesn’t just think Europe is obsolete – it wants to see it dead | Nathalie Tocci

Summary

The "Signalgate" scandal confirms the Trump administration's deep disdain for Europe, viewing it not just as obsolete but actively wanting its demise.

There are 3 major implications: an inevitable trade war where Europe must unite; continued US pressure on Greenland despite European pushback; and Europe needing to support Ukraine not just without US help, but potentially against US interests.

European leaders who stand firm against US bullying are seeing rising approval ratings.

Europe should "with firmness, courage and politeness" chart its own path forward.

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Europe is a comparative bastion of liberal democracy, hardly suprising facists dont like us
- It's the south, they hate that the coasts respect Europe more, and that it's generally atheist (atheist in their mind means anything outside of evangelical southern baptists, ie the true religion).
  
  But Europe has the literal Vatican! That's where the religion comes from!
- Same reason they hate Canada.
- Europe is a comparative bastion of liberal democracy,
  I think you mean colonialism and white supremacy.
  
  As an Asian, please go fuck yourself.
  We had just as much, if not far more cruelty to our own people, for instance our caste system was really just charming.
  The British brought rule of law, sanitation and medicine, and they stopped the monstrous Muslims from genociding us every time they felt like it.
  Seems like a great trade to me.
  
  Right? What is this nonsense lol. Go and tell Belgian congo about being a bastion of liberal democracy 😂😂😂
That's because Trump's US is actually Putin's US. And Putin wants Europe weak and malleable.
This is why "living in interesting times" is a curse. Give me the boring decades where nothing happens.
- Yeah that was always meant as a curse
Meanwhile I'm trying to figure out how best to flee the US and set up in Denmark or some similar place with a much higher quality of life and fewer 21st century Nazis.
- Careful with Denmark. Our immigration laws have become pretty strict. We're also a pretty tiny country.
  
  Unfortunately a lot of European countries have been going down that dark path, just not as far along as the US. I'm cautiously hopeful that the current events will help steer us back in the right direction but we'll see..
- Good luck. If you don't pass as a refugee, you just need money, a job, a place to live and to prove all that to the central bureaucracy
The USA is well its way to becoming a danger to other countries and a force of evil in the world.
Worse... It appears this change is intentional and deliberate
Meaning they plan on it getting much much worse
- The USA is well its way to becoming a danger to other countries and a force of evil in the world.
  Lol
This is capitalism. There are no "allies" in the race to destroy the planet.
But of course. Democratic countries doing very well with policies far more socialist than would be politically expedient for the US? Can't have that.
TBF, they want everyone dead.
A couple issues.
The Signal chat didn't show that anyone wanted Europe dead. Agree or not, it showed that the administration wants Europe to be responsible for their own military interests (As though the US received nothing from being the security for the West over the past 75 years.)
If they want to see Europe destroyed, those receipts have to come from elsewhere.
Secondly, helping Ukraine is in everyone's interest except for Trump and the GOP. Stopping the stupid fucking tariffs is in America's interests. Trump succumbing to his age is in America's interests.
Don't confuse America's interests with those of the people who want to destroy and weaken America. Other than that, the point is correct. Europe needs to be much more active in Ukraine, even if the US administration may object.
- US as a security of the west is like running next to a bull to stay safe (better not wear anything red). They were never protecting other nations, but rather their business interests/opportunities. Look at the last example of "protection" deal. "Sign over minerals."; "And then you will protect us, right?"; "You do not hold the cards.".. It's more like finding an exploit, labeling terrorists/freedom fighters, deploying troops ("Say thank you troops"), kill anyone resisting the deal -- profit.
  
  You're a fucking joke if you think the last two months is representative of the US over the past 75 years.

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