4mo ago

FIA wary of Audi 'quitting' F1 in ongoing V10 debate

The FIA's senior figure on F1 cars has expressed a worry Audi could quit if V10 engines are re-introduced to grand prix racing.

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V10s were cool machines at the time. Then we figured out not everyone needs an 7.5L V8 as an everyday driver. That tech is a dead end. Move on.
- Arguably Internal Combustion Engines (ICE) are a dead end too, as we move to electric vehicles. I can't see F1 going fully electric anytime soon so I see the attraction of moving back to simple, light engines that create a lot of noise that fans enjoy.
  
  I see the attraction of moving back to simple, light engines
  Of the big lies the competitors to electric propulsion successfully spread is that hybrid is what's making the engines heavy. It's not. In F1 the ICE is over 100kg without the energy store (=fuel) whereas is hybrid unit is 20kg including energy (=battery).
  a lot of noise that fans enjoy
  If fans actually enjoyed the noise so much, why are so few people caring about LMP2? I think that's a loud minority. Actual motorsport fans care about the on-track competition more than the propulsion technology.
  Of the overall F1 fan base, only a small minority ever attended an F1 race. The engine noise most encounter is the result of the broadcast audio mix.
  
  Formula E is great, and their lap times are getting to the point they directly compete with F1 hardware, and F1 has a monopoly on the best drivers to boot.
  Couple more years, and I think the constructors will be demanding all electric.
Look at which teams talk this up as a big positive and you will get a good idea whose new PU for 26 is behind the competition.
- will get a good idea whose new PU for 26 is behind the competition.
  Nobody has an idea who is behind who. At most, who is behind their own milestones.
  
  Yeah that not right. It's possible for the teams to work out ideal efficiency for the max fuel flow limit and battery discharge limits and go from there. These are hard constants for what is possible. Sure, someone might break the laws of physics, but it's unlikely.
So this whole V10 talk to try and scare off the American Cadillac has backfired.
- Was that even a thing? I mean it makes no sense. Why would Cadillac care when they have a deal to keep using Ferrari engines until they can get their own engine ready (which last I checked they're aiming for 2028)? The V10 switch has no impact on Cadillac.
  
  This talk of V10's started before the Ferrari deal. It started after the goal posts moved after Andretti Cadillac came together, and Cadillac needed to be a full engine supplier, before Andretti were accepted as the eleventh team.
  It was there to try and scare off Cadillac, who already would of had to spend a lot of time and money for a V6. For it only to be used for a couple years before the V10 switch.
How about deregulating engine type and instead capping engine power at a certain kw level?
Fuck off audi. Give me the sweet V10 music.

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