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Top Democrat calls for Hegseth and Waltz to resign and shreds Gabbard over Signal war talk leak

www.independent.co.uk

Top Democrat calls for Hegseth and Waltz to resign over Signal leak

During Tuesday’s hearing, Gabbard told Warner that the Signal thread didn’t share any classified information but refused to share its contents, or even admit that she was on the chain.

“If it’s not classified, share the texts now,” Warner told Gabbard. “Share it with the committee. You can’t have it both ways. These are important jobs. This is our national security.”

Bitch, we can smell the bullshit 500 miles away.

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IANAL, but because this was done on a third party encrypted chat app, doesn't it also violate the federal records act or something? If this was any other administration they would have been launched out of a cannon for that alone, not just the breach in security.
- Absolutely. Not to mention that organizing a fucking battle plan on a non-government communications system is fucking insane.
- I anal too, but I think as long as they do submit the conversion to the record which they now still can if it didn't self delete, then they're covered. They can also declassify all of it and say "see?" like Trump did with the classified documents he stole for Mar a Lago.
  Signal isn't on an approved list, but the federal records act really just said there will be a council headed by an administrator or whatever to make rules and collect the records. So the current administrator, which could be a vacant seat or a MAGA Hat for all I know right now, would be in charge of this, and probably just hand it over to congress.
  
  The messages were set to auto-delete after a week, which imo reduces the likelihood that the messages will be recorded.
  
  No, not for top secret stuff. That needs to be taken to official, secure channels.
  
  Whoa whoa. You’re not a lawyer, or you anal. CONFESS!
- I'm not personally into the idea of ANAL, but I like how its simultaneously not classified info, and also they've forbidden the journalist from sharing it further ...because its classified info.
  
  I also ANAL. Those boys done fucked up but likely won't see consequences.
- That's why they're using Signal. If this while thing collapses on them, they don't want written records of their criminal conspiracies.
- Yes. Unless they forwarded them in a secure way immediately. Which there's like zero chance was the plan.
Resign? They should be in jail. They used signal to get around FOIA laws.
- Right! Resigning is not enough! If a regular person leaked secrets they would face more damning consequences.
"It's classified" is a nice catch-all excuse to use when you just don't want to answer for your actions.
Trump literally just got finished broadcasting and tweeting about flights that were deporting Venezuelans, topping it off with an "Oopise" taunt. But when he's brought in front of a judge and is expected to answer for that.......Sorry, classified. State secrets.
Trump's team talks about bombing the shit out of Yemen, then goes and bombs the shit out of Yemen. And is now trying to say they didn't talk about anything classified while talking about bombing the shit out of Yemen during a signal chat without even a hint of realization that the entire conversation was classified. Talking about impending war plans IS FUCKING CLASSIFIED BY DEFAULT YOU FUCKING CHODES
Oh, are we "shredding" instead of "slamming" now? An even better idea: acting on it
The Committee can always ask The Atlantic for the transcripts. I have no doubts they will hand them over.
Why? They LEARNED their Lessons! Unlike HILARYS EMAILS!
Every politician in that chat should be impeached. I know it won't remove them from office because the fucking Republicans lose even the pretext of ethics when one of their own is in trouble, but it should still be pushed to a vote.
Its funny because republicans clearly do not give a shit about the rules and will continue to do whatever they want. And the dems made little signs to show they are unhappy. All while murica has fallen!
"Top democrats shout at wall."
No one's picking up the phone morons. It's time for pitchforks.
Why does tulsi choose to look like she steals Dalmatian puppies on the weekends?
tulsi is doing what she is told by kremlin.
Just resign?
She followed Trumps trick and unclassified it with her brain which is why she said that
Does anyone else find it fucking disgusting that liberals are now mad that Trump is incompetently committing mass murder in the Middle East?
- No, it is never disgusting to be against genocide, even if you’re doing it for the wrong reasons.
  
  TBF I think they're saying liberals are only mad because Trump's genocide is incompetent. Like, liberals aren't mad about the actual content of the messages, they're mad that Trump broke the law.
- Does anyone find it disgusting that conservatives now AREN'T mad that Obama was incompetently committing mass murder in the Middle East? (Because Trump is now doing the same?)
  Personally, and morally, our anger should be towards the people NOT upset at Mass Murder, which as you have explained, isn't liberals.
  To be clear, yes, liberals turned a blind eye to this during Obama. But to your point, they aren't now. Trump, instead, is murdering without care, and his base is celebrating it.
  A blind eye isn't the same as active support, and MAGA is actively supporting murder. While at worst, liberals still have blinders on.
  Personally, I'm not going to spend any time chastising a lesser evil. But many did during our previous elections, which is how Trump got elected both times.
  Harris + Isreal being a great recent example. Because no matter how bad Harris was, it's not Trump turning Gaza into a night club.
  What disgusting hate should we throw her way about Gaza now that it's targeted for demolision by Trump?
  At best, it's wasteful to be so angry at liberals now. At worst, it's stupid, and will keep the people you should be angry at in power to do worse things more frequently as it has for both of Trumps elections.
  
  Does anyone find it disgusting that conservatives now AREN'T mad that Obama was incompetently committing mass murder in the Middle East? (Because Trump is now doing the same?)
  I mean hopefully?
  To be clear, yes, liberals turned a blind eye to this during Obama. But to your point, they aren't now. Trump, instead, is murdering without care, and his base is celebrating it.
  That's not what I'm talking about here. Of course the hypocrisy there is also ridiculous, but that's not what I'm trying to say. My point is: Liberals seem to have more of a problem with the bad opsec than with the actual mass murder. As if competently murdering brown people in the hundreds is somehow better than incompetently murdering them. This is the reaction of people who are only marginally opposed to mass murder.
- This isn't a team sport, these are people's lives. What the hell is wrong with you?
  
  Yes, these are people's lives, and now everyone is mad that Trump is being incompetent about murdering those people. The only sane reaction to a dictator failing to massacre a population is happiness that he's not competent about it. The reactions I'm seeing only imply that liberals are okay with the actual bombing and only mad that Trump is not following opsec. By the way I'm not MAGA; leftists hate liberals too.
- cope harder, MAGA CHUD.
  
  The hell?
- Umm. What? No. Seriously. Wtf mate?!?
  I think mass murder is despicable. Considering the US government had engaged in large scale extra judicial killings for decades (whether red or blue, no fucking difference), my country disgusts me. But, are you legit saying doing so incompentently is the problem? Not the murder. The incompetence.
  Touch grass, god damn weirdo.
  
  But, are you legit saying doing so incompentently is the problem? Not the murder. The incompetence.
  Uh... No? I'm mad that Americans seem to be more mad that the mass murder is being done incompetently than about the mass murder itself. It's like competent mass murder is acceptable but bad ospec is not.

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