7mo ago

The myth of consensual peace

Sources: https://news.gallup.com/poll/653495/half-ukrainians-quick-negotiated-end-war.aspx https://news.antiwar.com/2024/11/19/poll-majority-of-ukrainians-want-peace-talks-to-end-war-with-russia/

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- 1915 Lemmy lib: "God the German propaganda on .ml is intense"
  The propaganda: Peace pls
  
  Any info I encounter contrary to the interests of my preferred empire must be the work of the dastardly Foreigner. If the other side wanted peace they should simply unconditionally surrender
  (skull can barely contain brain of this size)
  And if they won't, we Ukrainians must be willing to give up their lives in a total war until victory (which is going well and good and can be expected to end in that outcome)
  Russia's terms have been quite clear since the beginning of the war: a neutral, non-West-aligned Ukraine and the official ceding of Crimea and the breakaway republics. Even regardless of how you feel about those issues, how does it benefit you or the average Ukrainian to keep fighting over this? It is such a pointless, devastating loss of life over shit that obviously represents larger geopolitical issues for the West and Russia while Ukraine is turned into a literal wasteland (omg and the Ukrainian side has been financed by massive Western loans
  , even if Ukraine "wins" they are gonna be fucked when the creditors come for their repayments after the war which is intentional ofc, will probably result in even more IMF austerity plans and poverty)
  Idk, maybe the Ukrainian side could get better terms (they def could have earlier) but they have just refused to actually negotiate (beyond telling the world how "open" they to are it lol) and have taken your total victory position. Ofc there is so much more to say but yeh
- I could not possibly be any more Russian.
  I am literally a Lada Niva.
- Citing gallup sources is Russian propaganda? Lmao are US schools just propaganda conditioning centers or what
  
  Hey Russia is more than welcome to go back home any day and they there will be peace.
  Like blaming a strike on the workers. "Stupid workers picketing for better wages!". Distraction tactic. Management can pay a fair wage and it will be over tonight.
  Russia can go home and there would be peace tomorrow
  
  One look into your comment history tells me everything I need to know about your opinions.
No bias at all.
- What is the bias?
  
  If it contradicts the State Department line, it's biased. If it's based on evidence, reality is biased.
- Bias to what? Is the source wrong? 63% in the eastern part want peace talks (52% in total) and they're not getting them, why is that?
  
  A great mystery. Guess we should Putin some thought to that.
  
  Did you look at the "data" it says nowhere that I could find ANY demographics relating to the poll.
  
  because putins precondition for peacetalks is ukranian withdrawal from the donbass, which translates to any progress made by the ukranians since 2022.
So a minority of 27% is desperate enough to offer territorial concessions but I doubt even they are willing to give as much as Putin demands
Western stooge of Russia demands Ukraine surrender the lands taken by invasion.
Bad meme. Try Saidit.
- Good meme. Try PPB.
Bruh are we at the point when saying "I agree with Ukrainian civilians in wishing the bloodshed would stop via diplomacy" gets gringos frothing at the mouth? What the fuck is wrong with y'all
- it's that zelensky is being posed in the meme as the main obstacle to peace, rather than the invading russian army.
- I'm starting to think those people are just sadists wishing to see as many Ukrainians and Russians dead as possible...
  They don't even refute anything, if you say anything remotely critical of Ukraine/Zelensky, you are just declared Russian bot/propagandist and your opinion doesn't matter. Wow.
  
  Fr. It's taken as a given that they don't give a fuck about the opinion of Ukrainians. Shit, if you're so against Putin, why not have your country go to war so you can put on the boots? Why do others have to die for what you believe in?

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