8mo ago

Rep. Nancy Mace says her anti-trans bathroom bill 'absolutely' targets Rep.-elect Sarah McBride

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Summary

Rep. Nancy Mace (R-S.C.) confirmed her proposed resolution to ban transgender individuals from using bathrooms that don’t align with their biological sex at the U.S. Capitol is aimed at Rep.-elect Sarah McBride, the first openly transgender member of Congress.

Mace also plans broader legislation for similar bans on federal property and in federally funded schools.

McBride responded by calling for respect and kindness among lawmakers.

House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) stated Republicans are working on a resolution to address the unprecedented situation while ensuring dignity and respect for all members.

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Mace is a Republican, so I can understand why she might assume all members of congress as sex predators. Think about the people she surrounds herself with. She must be terrified, poor thing.
Doesn't excuse bigotry at all. The bill is hatred on paper.
- The goal is to make it illegal for trans folks to exist at all. Next, they'll come for the entire LGBTQ+ community. Then probably the atheists.
- She must be terrified, poor thing.
  I have no doubt that's literally true.
McBride is wrong. What's needed is not "respect and kindness," but instead contempt and ridicule for fascist bigots. Failing to properly ostracize them is part of how we got into this mess.
- Yup, tolerant of the intolerant doesn't seem to be working.
  
  Agreed, but the politics of anger only go one way eventually.
That makes it illegal, right? You can't pass a law specifically designed to target individuals.
- Makes it a hate crime.
- That is my understanding, yes. However, I am not a lawyer, and even if I was, do laws/the Constitution even matter anymore?
- It can be because of certain individuals, but it must apply equally to all.
  You didn't usually see it applied to a real person, but there are countless examples of it being applied to large corporations. For example, Florida can (and has) passed laws that apply to (e.g.) all amusement parks that operate their own emergency services. It was pretty clear that it would only affect Disney World. But at least in theory, it would apply to any others that opened up.
  
  It has been made clear that any attempt to tailor a law so that it would predominantly affect a specific person or specific group, as it would in this case because even if it applies to all trans-folk, it would specifically primarily impact this one individual and has been said to be for that purpose (particularly damning).
  Not that precedent means anything, so any attempt to litigate that winds up in front of the Supreme Court could go either way. I would hope that even they would see the pettiness here and follow precedent.
  I'm not sure of the specifics of the Florida/Disney cases. I do know that it probably could've at least been argued that the law was too narrowly tailored, but I'm not a lawyer or a multi-billion dollar company and maybe there are reasons.
- We're in the post-consequences part of our timeline for any elected official with R next to their name. As long as the god emperor isn't angry, legality no longer matters. Merrick Garland spent four years proving this to us. (And the election results sealed it.)
House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) stated Republicans are working on a resolution to address the unprecedented situation while ensuring dignity and respect for all members.
From a guy whose idea of dignity includes convincing his kid to monitor his whacking off habits.
- tfw we still report what they say as if it ever mattered.
just get rid of seperate bathrooms. floor to ceiling stall doors and everyone uses the same stuff.
- The GOP won’t do that. The point is to sow division.
  
  yeah its just stuff like this is so stupid I want to take it out of the debate in favor of things that government should actually be doing. like. I dunno. healthcare.
- Even better make every bathroom a “family” bathroom. Only 1 person at a time. Mandatory changing table and tampon dispenser by the sink
  
  that would do. each typical bathroom could accomodate several. Likely as many as the stalls and sinks in it which is usually like 3-5 and since you have men/womens you would end up with half a dozen to a dozen bathrooms in the same footprint. Might have to put a small hall because of the depth of the bathrooms but it just needs to be wide enough for wheelchairs and for the doors to open.
In any other job, this would be a slam dunk sexual harassment suit, right?
- From my understanding, 14th amendment protections are still being battled over in the courts. Many have sided in favor or sexual orientation or gender being something that should be considered in equal protection of the laws, but some have not, so this will probably be coming to the Supreme Court, especially if the majority in charge of everything see it as an advantageous time to do so.
  Agenda 47, the immediate plans for implementing Project 2025, has eliminating gender affirming care as a key priority. More money was spent on anti-trans campaigning than on many other topics combined this election cycle.
  In theory, the laws of individual states protecting LGBT people would still apply, but other parts of Agenda 47 call for economically hammering states that try to go against expanded executive power, sounding similar to how the national drinking age was raised by withholding funding for highways.
  I think there is a time bomb on these protections right now, and I would be hesitant to count on them for very long. I feel like writing all this makes me sound alarmist, but that is how I feel based on what they've been saying and running on these last 8+ years. My best friends are gay, but also public educators. They're Republican leaning centrists, and don't seem to be concerned, so I may be off base, but I tend to trust people when they come out in the open as bad people without shame.
  
  One thing to remember about Republicans is that logical dissonance comes with the territory. They're not worried because they're "one of the good ones." Or because they're one issue voters who ignore everything else the Republicans say that they're going to do. I've seen many Republicans who live in Massachusetts and enjoy the benefits provided by the liberal politics of the state while at the same time complaining about those same politics. People complaining about Obama care despite having been on Romney care for years, that sort of thing.
Mark my words, this will pass, even if only to set the stage for what trans people will have to deal with for the next four years.
Part of me expects regular motions to have her expelled entirely. And there's a non-zero chance that they'll just drop the threshhold needed to expel a member to simple majority because fuck what the Constitution says, they have control now.
- Saying it'll just be the next 4 years is very optimistic of you.
Someone should propose a house rule that bans sex offenders from the bathrooms. Looking at you Matt.
- If Democrats had anything resembling a spine...
Republican women are some of the most self-hating people in existence.
- Oh don't worry. They have enough hate for everyone.
- Some of the most Karen of the Karens.
To all the people saying to put in gender neutral bathrooms, remember, the point is to sow division. The GOP doesn’t actually want solutions that make this issue go away.
- A boogeyman and a boogeyman net for 99.95
This is going to get complicated. The only way to be sure that, for example, Nancy Mace is actually the "she" "she" says "she" is is to check. And if we do that, to be fair, we gotta check everyone which means were going to discover that so many allegedly "male" members (heh) of congress do not, in fact, have any balls. WHAT THEN NANCY?? WHAT THEN???
Bold move for a woman with that bone structure to be shitting on trans people.
- What ARE Ryuk's pronouns?
  
  "I don't care or understand, really, just whatever gets me the apple off of your desk."
  "Humans are so strange."
  
  Damn. Just, damn.
I'm going to need to see the long form genetic tests that prove that Mace is a biological woman as well, then. It's only fair, right?
Hang on, doesn't that mean the law can be challenged even if it passes? You can't discriminate against individuals or specific US businesses with legislature.
It's called a Bill of Attainder.
- They never cared about trivial things like "legality"
Sounds like rep Nancy Mace needs a few thousand volunteers to send her some urine samples
The cruelty is the point.
They be fucking their Lolita express deliveries in those bathrooms, no legit politicians allowed!
Proposal: replace all bathrooms with gender neutral bathrooms
- Alternative proposal: replace the offices of all Republicans with gender neutral bathrooms.
- Conservatives don't care about compromise. They want to "win" and punish the "losers" for having the gall to challenge their narrow-minded views.
After some fear-mongering and a knee-jerk reaction from Speaker Johnson we can boast that no dicks will go anywhere near Nancy Mace. Mission Accomplished!!!
This is a great use of time. I'm sure it'll lower the price of eggs, which I'm told are more expensive than Faberge eggs thanks to Biden.
Given their spoken intent to enact the provisions in project 2025, this follows along those lines and is only the tip of the iceberg. Given also that they have expressed a desire to return to the world of some 70 years past, what Johnson is likely alluding to is a return to separate facilities for trans akin to separate facilities for "coloreds" that existed back then.
Trump administration hasn't even started yet, and we already have public space segregation based on a protected characteristic.

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