In concession speech, Harris says "when we lose an election, we accept the results"
In concession speech, Harris says "when we lose an election, we accept the results"
The moral high road is littered with corpses, and it looks like we're bound and determined to add more to the pile.
Had Trump won in 2020, he'd have taken the fall for the Recession and Hyperinflation and it would have caused a 2008 effect. Populist Wave haulted, strangled in it's crib by Coronachan.
Had Trump won in 2020, he'd be done now and his VP would still be the democracy respecting Pence.
Trump when elected in 2016 had no major plan and mostly left the employees of the state intact, and in 2020 the change was minimal. Now there's a full blown scheme to control the government
In 2020 they didn't know how much they could get away with. They've seen the limits now.
Winning in 2020 means no January 6th shattering the overton window and leading SCOTUS to some interesting choices about power.
2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there's another 2 if not 3
In 2020 it would have been close. Now Democrats will have to regain ground, New Jersey New Hampshire and Minnesota are now Swing States.
2016 Trump had his populist wave weakened by Gary Johnson and Evan McMulin who blocked the popular vote and kept states like Colorado and New Mexico out of his hands. 2016 Trump sucked with Hispanics. That initial wave would have burnt out with the COVID fuckery. Instead Democrats slotted in, took the 4 worst possible years, and are handing it back having effectively both given them another shot in the arm and crippled themselves. There goes the court. This isn't John Kerry, it's Carter.
I've heard of 2020 hindsight, but this is ridiculous
I agree, hindsight is 20/20 and if he would have just won then, this would have all been over yesterday.
But now, we're 75 days from being an actual dictatorship, and when we help Russia flatten Europe we'll also be an axis power.
Every time I think we're in the worst possible timeline the universe says "bet" and throws us another curveball.
I'm getting really fucking tired of living in an era that will be fascinating to read about in future history books.
I compared these threads to the one in 2016 announcing the win. Mostly different vibes(more awe and surprise and 'maybe it won't be so bad' and less horror), but two things in common.
Good point. Out of many things to blame for this, I didn't think about him losing 2020. Who would have thought back then, that him winning would be better in the long run. He would be finished and disgraced by now. We truly are living in the worst timeline.
Think Carter. Nixon had a populist wave born out of the DNCs 1968 disaster destroying the Kennedy lead operation dating back years, it was big. Then a huge scandal knocked the wind out of him, populist wave was down, Democrats won with a safe white guy, mission accomplished? Except the economy imploded and a ton of foreign wars happened and everyone blamed 'histories greatest monster' and the Republican populist wave that would have died with Nixon got a round to breathe and the Democrats took the fall for the disaster in Carters term. 8 years of Reagan followed and then 4 years of Reagan 2, Texas Boogaloo. Except Reagan was old and JD Vance isn't.
WHY
Why do we have to be the bigger people and accept this bullshit? THIS ISN'T WORKING.
We don't. But maybe not here.
What’s not working?
The people wanted Trump so that’s what they get
The people didn’t want someone left of Republicans so Biden didn’t run
Expecting Americans to do even the bare minimum, such as playing by the rules, is expecting way too much.
This is the truth. Americans have forgotten the common good and looking out for each other. The boomers began the culture shift towards selfish assholism and the subsequent generations have accelerated it.
What else is she supposed to say? Unfortunately, the people have spoken. They’re going to get what they have chosen and deserve at this point, and it’s a crying shame.
Just ran a ballpark. 22% of Americans voted for Trump. That's all it took
Happily voted Harris, to defeat the christian fascists. But I think her concession confirms that she was never going to be the fighter we needed.
First, Democrat's gamble on pushing aside the progressive core (thanks to incorrect reading of Biden popularity and protests over Israel's genocide) in favor of a coalition of former Republicans and mythical "decent conservatives" was a huge red flag. It has now proved absolutely catastrophic.
Second, "the high road" has rarely extracted more than the absolute minimum at the slowest possible pace. This election proved it has failed us. Peace is not an option anymore. Unfortunately, we're going to need to fight ruthlessly for every inch. Entrenched billionaire oligarchs, funding literally insane religious extremists and domestic terrorists. They will gleefully turn up the heat on our formerly cold civil war with their brutality over the next few years.
The worst thing about Trump by far is his refusal to accept a peaceful transition of power. It's a national tragedy that he will never be held accountable for that, and that his behavior has been validated by winning another election.
I'm glad she is setting an example of what a peaceful transition of power looks like, for those who apparently aren't familiar with the concept.
Flowery words about democracy for somebody living in an oligarchy/monarchy.
Liberals once again just giving over power to fascists. Tale as old as time.
Not even gonna resist? Really?
A bit different this time, since the people overwhelmingly voted for the fascist. The Nazi party in the late 30s only had a plurality in their parliament.
But yeah it definitely rhymes... Though I'm honestly not sure what else they should do that wouldn't result in all out civil war
So, I might get put on a list for this, but so be it.
Does no one else here feel like a little bit of fuckery has happened in the election process?
It's like overnight everyone has forgotten about all those ballot boxes that were burned, multiple cases of ballot box interference (1,2), and the fact that Trump and his ilk are always projecting, which means that when he says a state or someone is cheating, it very well could mean that he and his cronies are up to no good. What about those bomb threats?
Now, with all of that being said, I do NOT want to come off as the same of the likes of a Trump supporter. I do not want you all to look at me like I am trying to cause distrust in the system. I do trust the system (as much as I can of course), so let it be said here and now, I am not saying this as a matter of fact.
These points, and the very quick and almost instant next day results, have made me very much question the LANDSLIDE that Trump had this year. Voter turn out was at an all time high, and I know that doesn't mean a lot, but everything combined makes me a little inquisitive to the nature of the results. We know that Russian interference happened in 2016. We know about Russian interference in the 2020 election. We also expected, and are sure of, interference in this election of 2024. That's not even counting all the billionaires and millionaires having private little meetings about how they can push the scales to their favor, Trump and Musk talking to Putin in private, and I'm sure there are plenty more that we can all find easily verifiable facts on.
I guess what I'm trying to say, is that something felt more off about this election, than the past three, to me at least.
Am I just being silly? Can someone help me here?
I said the same thing but as a woman so people called me crazy
You are not alone. On the AP website's live vote map, I saw quite a few suspicious looking "called" on states that hadn't even started yet. I know it was an algorithm or prediction method, and maybe I didn't look as hard in 2020 as I did this year, but I just can not help but question the amount of shit that happened THIS time not having an affect on the election. I am probably just being hopeful that SOMETHING pops up about all this in the following weeks. Do I believe it will? Nah, not really. We literally allowed a felon to run as president, so, yeah. Am I HOPEFUL? Yes, just a smidge.
While the right is doing their little celebration dance, saying how they are going to do all of these terrible things, I just have the smallest smidge of hope that someone in power somewhere in the USA is collecting some damning evidence in the background.
Crazy? I get it. Really just an emotional person trying to convince themselves there is someone looking into it on the basis of odd and/or suspicious.
Honestly this has been knocking around in my head. Did truly less people vote this go around?
We have more days of counting to go through but I'm honesty surprised at the numbers so far.
If less people voted then fair, but something feels off. Kinda left with some uncomfortable possibilities if there's a way to know the true number of people that voted.
I agree. If there really are that much less votes this year, and everything is clear as can be, then I concede my theory. It just seems so.. strange? Like, he was literally sitting there claiming fraud, and then...? Nothing..? Just stopped peddling it, and won? Like, he got real confident, real quick..
My wife voted from overseas (Germany) and her ballot is stuck in customs for 4 weeks now and didn’t arrive in time. We sent it through airmail with tracking and usually, letters arrive in a week.
Thats begs the question: Why would a ballot be stuck in customs for so long and why does a letter have to go through customs in the first place
Worst of all, she voted in Wisconsin where trump won by less than 30k votes. Online there are multiple people reporting that their ballot is stuck in customs. Could it be that postmaster general DeJoy is supressing votes by redirecting votes to customs? I assume that overseas votes from Europe are overwhelmingly for the Democrats.
When I felt disillusioned in 2016 from ratfucking and Trump winning, I got more and more leftist. Nothing has radicalized me after than the last 3 elections.
Anarchism tries to help people without expecting a favor, unlike every other major political structure.
Wow, so noble.
Why didn't the Dems cheat like they did in 2020? Strange. /S
I'm not accepting the results. Trump is not my President.
I voted Harris and that was my pick.
This is just absolute bullshit that she now turns and expects people who were voting not just for her, but voting for a continual track of progress for this country. She expects us to 'accept it'. What about the people in LGBTQ who're now fearing for their lives? Tell them to "Accept it" for what's to come for them when the AmeriNazi Regime comes banging on their doors? What about the minorities who're now fearing for their lives about getting deported? Going to tell them to "Accept it" as the AmeriNazi Regime scream and demand that they go back?
What about the working class who're now fretting over their resources and now looking down the barrel of having to take in more work and have little time to relax in life? Going to tell them to "Accept it" as the AmeriNazi Regime overworks and burns them out to death to support the upper class and corporate interests?
Harris, I liked you and voted for you. But this is a 'Fuck you' to accepting the AmeriNazi Regime.
I agree and stand the same. He is not and never was eligible to be a president. He is a fraud, a chronic liar and nothing else. I have zero respect for any of the three letter agencies in accepting his presence and with them, any of the "'supreme court judges" because they are not either. Not now and never.
America is Dead. This is but a corpse and those are maggots.
You're just as bad as the stop the steal trumpers when you ignore the election. You need to accept the loss, you don't have to just go back to doing nothing though. You can work to recruit voters to your side for the next 4 years instead of just the few months before.
Ah! Take that Trump. That will teach him.
No insurrection then?
It aint even about moral high road, shes just ready to take the money and run.
Of course she made a concession speech. Because Democrats are constitutionally unable to accept the reality we voted into power 2016.
The party deserves extinction.
What are you even saying here?
Shes fine with it.
Every stance she took will be adhered to, and she is going to get the Republicans in the cabinet that she wanted so bad.
Exactly!
"when we lose an election, we accept the results"
Will, that's a lie. Remember 4 years of Russia-gate, everyone.
EDIT My point was the Left blamed Trump for it and/or he anything to do with it. But he didn't.
Except that Russia did and has continued funding disinformation to sow division and hatred among Americans.
You can look up Tenet Media and how they filtered Russian money down to major right wing political commentators.
There's nothing fake about that.
Do you believe Russia has interfered in any election?
Just trying to figure out what reality we're in before going further.
Salty vatnik.
Remember 4 years of Russia-gate, everyone
That whole thing was about Russia using social media to spend disinformation. The entire thing wasn't that, Russia hacked into the ballot boxes and changed votes, it was that Russia was using social media as a means to give false information to the public.
Underpinning the whole Russia-gate episode is the fact that human beings still physically pushed the buttons they pushed and that the vote they cast was indeed the vote they wished to cast. So we still accept the results as, technically speaking, the people have spoken.
But c'mon, you've seen the increase in AI slop. You know the Russia-gate stuff is true. In fact, I would dare say this election cycle they've gotten worse at doing it as they're still pretty new at the whole AI stuff. Now where I, myself, and other Democrats likely disagree is the how to solve it. Lots of Democrats want to ban AI and regulate social media, but my opinion is you can't fight fire by banning the match. You have to teach fire safety and hope the public is smart enough to not set themselves on fire.
But the important aspect is in all of this, the ballots that were cast, we still respect the final tally. That's the fundamental difference between the Russia-gate and Trump's legal challenges. The Russia-gate stuff is basically people are being misled. Trump's stuff was that people were literally altering the ballot computer.
I think people are still being misled... BUT, Trump won this one fair and square. The law doesn't say a person being misled shouldn't have their vote count, and such a law would be insanely stupid/incredibly dangerous, even if it favored my particular team. We fix being misled by educating people and so losing this election just means that the educating folks game needs to up the ante. Best anyone can do is put the sources out there, show where the misinformation is wrong, and leave it up to the voter to read all of that come to the conclusion that matches reality. But if they don't, we've got to accept that and work on better messaging.
That's how one makes a point. They present the view, present the evidence, and use a persuasive argument. The rest is up to the voter to put together.
Except it is a known fact that Russia did, in fact, interfere. Pretending they didn't doesn't change that.
Enjoy the self-satisfaction of having taken the high road while the concentration camps get built.
And what did you want her to tell people to march to the capitol and hang the vice president being willing to certify the election?
Nah, Americans voted for Trump and his fascism, his racism so let them have it.
Exactly, 70 million American Nazis are to thank for this.
He'll of a way to blow off all the deaths that are coming. I don't cate what happens to his voters. But the rest of us are going to suffer too.
I mean, we don't need the president's permission to revolt.
Only follow the rules with those who follow them too.
I agree... did they expect her to start a socialist revolution? As if they would march to the capitol for her when they wouldn't even show up to vote?
I'm glad she's setting an example of normal adult human behavior, it's hard to even call it the "high road"... It's just NOT acting like a toddler. We can't afford to have a January 6th every four years.
Yeah exactly, this is also why they should've just left the confederacy alone /s
Excuse me?! They're called "internment camps"!
We can still try to obstruct via filibuster and other mechanisms. (Republicans have already shown us how to do it effectively.) But certainly no progress can be made for the next four years.
2 years. In 2026, 20 Republican Senators will be up for re-election.
As if Republicans won't eliminate the filibuster. They have no use for it because they don't plan on being in the minority ever again.
Think outside the box.
This. She will live in comfort at home while we suffer
Oh my gawd, what are you talking about?
You don't win against someone who is cheating by playing fair.