8mo ago

Russia says Donald Trump's election win "useful for us"

www.newsweek.com /russia-medvedev-trump-useful-1981117

Summary

Russian official Dmitry Medvedev, a close ally of Vladimir Putin, suggested Donald Trump’s election victory may benefit Russia’s interests in Ukraine, citing Trump’s reluctance to fund “idiotic allies” and “voracious international organizations.”

Although Medvedev stopped short of celebrating, he hinted Trump’s aversion to foreign spending could weaken U.S. support for Ukraine.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky cautiously congratulated Trump, recalling their recent discussion on U.S.-Ukraine cooperation.

Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov maintained a guarded tone, noting the U.S. remains an “unfriendly country” involved in the Ukraine conflict.

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Mission accomplished.
- The only person you should blame is Harris and her party. She made the same mistake Clinton did by trying to be as conservative as possible, so nobody on the left voted for her.
  
  Nobody on the left votes for her so the far right wins again. Real galaxy brain move there.
  
  I'm sick of this denial of voters culpability for their own votes. You are responsible for who you vote for and the outcomes. People voted for this and they are fundamentally responsible. Right now, folks just need to focus on making their local communities robust against the oncoming disasters.
  
  Heh, I'm sure all the gazans, Ukrainians and Taiwanese are glad to hear the American left stood for their principles.
  I really wonder how much direct financial support Russia sends our 'left'.
  
  I guess the silver lining is that we won't spend the next few months worried about violent retaliation and a second insurrection. But we'll have to live through the bickering and multiple finger pointings among non_MAGA people on whose fault it was. Then January 20th will come and we'll be too busy worrying about our well being to continue the blaming.
  It really does parallel Brexit in a way. People are so similar.
  
  I agree it was the Democrats and the Democrats alone that are responsible for the next 4 years.
  Now come take a look at this bridge, I need to shift it quickly so I'll let you have a bargain price.
  
  Would you rather she miss out on the bigger share of the center?
  Face it, political views are a Bell Curve.
  
  The only good part about this message is the 145 downvotes lol
  
  Nah I think she made the same mistake as Clinton by having a vagina.
  
  You're right. Sad to see the down votes.
  Kamala Harris was up 10 points in ratings above Trump after Biden dropped out. Every step of the way, Kamala dropped the ball and fumbled her lead with her eye on winning over conservatives.
  This country is moving more and more right, and it's not the American people's fault. Democrats have stagnated ever since Obama ran on hope and change, but forgot all of that shit once in the White House.
  Don't let people gaslight you here. Democrats are the ones to blame.
The USA just lost the cold war.
- I guess the USSR and USA had mutually assured destruction by means other than nuclear
- Both sides lost the cold war.
RIP Ukraine, Palestine, and Taiwan. It was nice knowing you.
I hope any Jill Stein voters are happy
- The Jill Stein votes wouldnt even make a dent in the staggering votes for the Republicans...
  
  Yup, Democrats only win elections when they show up to vote. And Democrats did not show up this year.
  
  Where are the other 20million voters that didn’t show?
- And so the blame game has begun. And just like in 2016, Dems will point at everything except themselves. But that's not how democracy works.
- You can not blame this on Jill Stein voters. Trump kicked Kamala’s ass. Maybe not a landslide but it wasn’t close by any means.
  I wouldn’t worry about Taiwan either. Not a chance in hell anyone around trump allows him to abandon them as their microchip factories are vital to literally everything we do in this country.
America has abandoned Ukraine and NATO.
Time for Europe to step up.
- Europe has already been pulling their weight in Ukraine. Now they'll also have to pick up the slack that they US is about to create.
  
  Financially absolutely. We do not have the military industrial complex to replace the armaments that the US has been providing however.
  I'm sure Ukraine has been preparing for this eventually but I really fear for them and the medium term consequences for us all if Putin gets his way in this war. :(
- Lemmy and the Fediverse as a whole is a microcosm that doesn't make much of a difference one way or the other. We can stab at the tankies all we like, but it wasn't their influence in the Fediverse that caused the result, even if they did manage to hoodwink a few into voting for fake tan man.
  
  It wasn't their influence alone, of course not.
  They were just part of the bigger propaganda machine that infiltrated so many social media sites.
  
  Because this influence campaign only took place on Lemmy /s
  
  They have accounts on all major services.
- I have voted blue in every election since Obama McCain, despite not liking a single one of the General election candidates, and I phone banked and primaried for Bernie twice.
  I don't blame those who sat out. The only reason I don't is to maximize harm reduction so I can look myself in the mirror. I blame those that voted for Trump for Trump.
  We have a center right party and a fascist party, both hypercapitalist. You can scream at democratic socialists like me and other leftists, but in my entire lifetime, we have never had a party platform to enthusiastically vote for, only against the worst of 2 terrible options that embrace economic inequity and are well bribed to do so.
  And singling them out as the worst offenders for doing nothing on election day while people voted FOR the fascist has just ensured keeping those that decided to disengage stay disengaged, because the neoliberals that run the Democrat party seem to hate leftists even more than Republicans, and say the same thing every cycle to them.
  Because at least Republicans believe in our herp derp "free" market capitalist economy, amirite? I wish that commonality our supposed leftwing party has had with Republicans for ages, but especially since Reagan, would tell you something...
  Because a society shouldn't be comfortable with an economy that by design leaves so many of its people "losing" so hard they're dying of exposure on our streets, let alone BOTH of our only 2 political parties that matter. But we aren't a society, just a bunch of rugged individuals at each other's throats fighting for the owner's ever dwindling scraps.
  
  The fact that liberals are blaming leftists and other liberals for this result instead of the complete and utter failings of the Democratic party this election cycle is mind boggling. Having Biden run for a second term was a huge blunder. Then when he was clearly unfit to run again, they rammed Harris through, even though she already primaried in 2020 and was extremely unpopular. Will the dnc take the blame and change anything though? Absolutely fucking not! They'll blame the voters for being racist or sexist or unmotivated or leftist or dumb or whatever. And people will eat it up, look at these comment sections already
  
  We can certainly point fingers in every direction and hit someone with “fault.” We are all to blame and not to blame.
  At least now we won’t have to vote any more.
  
  It's not so much that it's only the "I can't in good conscience vote for this party, so it's better that the objectively worse party wins" crowd is worse then "I want the fascist to win" crowd. It's the first crowd might listen, while the second is a lost cause.
- Oh please, 20 million voters that didn't vote wasn't affected by the rantings of a few people on Lemmy or Reddit.
  
  And Xitter, and Facebook. They have those accounts too.
- Nah I think it was Elon "Goebbels 2" Musk more than them. They didn't help but he should get all the credit.
  
  Him and Joe Rogan
  
  Yeah the convenient takeover of the vessel people use to express opinions was certainly a huge factor in spreading pro-trump material.
- That would almost be funny again. So why didn't you vote?
  I was gonna, but then some people on a forum didn't like her.
  You deserve him if THAT is what it takes.
  
  That’s all it takes. Manipulation in your doom scroll
- Because American men won’t elect a woman
- As far as we know, it was just one guy with a bunch of burner accounts.
  
  That certainly is very possible. They all sound like the same person. Or, like they have a specific game plan they all have to adhere to. Almost like a job ;)
- Stupid people. Not being able to see the less worse side makes them stupid people.
  And siding with the side that will bring worse to the table just because you can't handle something that the less worse side does? That also makes them stupid people in terms of general and emotional intelligence.
- The genocide will continue until moral improves
  
  Well, ML doesn’t care about Gaza anymore since it was just a tactic. Now they are pushing Ukraine committing genocide.
  It’s all a game.
- Slrpnk with Notvoting did their fair share, seeing how low the turnout was.
- oh yeah, in this fediverse echo chamber where there's only one narrative: "trump bad", for sure, those lemmy.ml people were swaying millions of voters away from Kamala.
  jeez, lemmy, you were pathetic during the run-off, but you're also a very sore loser. A bunch of kids not even being able to look into the mirror.
- lol, keep the tears coming 😊😊😊
  
  Oh hey it's a cunt.
  
  How does it feel to have zero empathy and getting off of the pain of others? You sound exactly like those who celebrate genocides.
  
  Thanks for the confirmation
Realistic headline: Russia finally wins Cold War by installing orange shithead for second time
Everyone should know about The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia
That plan from 1997 is literally being implemented before our eyes. And now that trump is in again it will accelerate much faster than it has been (so far with Brexit, Ukraine, trump, partnering w/ Iran, far right in Germany). Next removing US from NATO and driving France and Germany apart.
- Well that's fucking terrifying. Project 1997.
- Trump also probably still holds a grudge against Ukraine for not manufacturing/finding dirt on Biden during the last election, or whatever the particulars were.
  
  And don't forget his impeachment over Ukraine too. He is going to fuck them hard. I really hope Europe can pick up the slack on arms production quickly.
- All about money! If there's money for trump then he will sell whatever he can to get that money.
- Trump is very unpredictable on Ukraine. He said he will support Ukraine but who knows. But some say he will withdraw support from Taiwan, which is unlikely because he never had good relations with Xi and China. As for Israel-Palestine, we know where stands on that.
  For me as non-American, I am more concerned with geopolitics. I wish Trump would provide support to Ukraine. But if he doesn't, at least he will stand against China. I understand many Americans are tired of over twenty years of hawkish foreign policies with corporate and imperialist agenda, but if Trump withdraws from Europe, at least he should pivot towards China. It balances out between complete isolationism and imperialism (I believe on a case by case basis of interventionism as part of just war theory, like the US entry into World War 2 and intervention on Yougoslavia).
Yeah the Orange Sack of Shit is useful to a lot of people.
- They're literally calling him a useful idiot... That means something in security circles.
Of course, now that Putins biggest asset is back in place. Remember when Russia took out American agents in Russia, shortly after Trump requested a list of those people from the agencies, which was shortly after a talk with Putin that went without any witnesses?
To be fair they're saying this not because it's actually useful (which it might be) but because them saying this stirrs shit up and makes people more upset. They're playing on the feeling that is already there, and the best thing to do is to dismiss their comment as a play to make us upset with eachother and watch what they do instead. They want us to burn bridges. That's what's useful to them.
- Few weeks ago it was Biden that Russia preferred.
  I don't understand why people give a fuck about what they have to say.
  
  People give a fuck because they're (with reason) emotionally invested in the politics of their lives, and which politicians are elected directly effects their lives. That one's not too hard to grasp.
  But while that will always be the case, people need to realize that Russian propaganda is inherently opportunistic and it has a goal of pushing us further apart from one another. There are real issues that lead to these sorts of political outcomes.
  It's not because of Russia, but the russian state is incredibly efficient at grabbing those issues and amplifying them to the point where we stop trusting our neighbors and families, thus breaking the democratic wheel.
  Knowing that is part of the solution but realizing that there are actual issues that make people vote for political figures like Trump and listening to those voters without making assumptions about their morals is even more important.
  edit to add: the republicans are part of America. Their voters are part of America. Just as democrats are. Trump is part of it, so is Jill Stein. Own it, learn from it, don't repeat it. Try to understand why it happened. This is true for every country, but with different characters, other movements.
Obviously. Trump is a Russian asset, always has been.
Goodbye support to Ukraine, hello to American boots on the ground in Russia
- Jesus Christ that last thought hadn't even entered my head. I can't see Poland or the Baltics putting up with that though.
  FML.
- It's probably too soon to expect something like that. Simply withdrawing support is likely to accomplish the same goal, and with far less fuss, plus leaves Russia looking all strong to do it without American help, and also the lowered friction reduces the chances of like another assassination attempt on Trump's life or an attempted upheaval of the entire government.
  Anyway, I'm saying that if Russia doesn't absolutely need those boots, then it's better for Russia actually, in the long term, to refuse such aid even if it were offered.
See? Russia doesn't lie all the time.
They aren't wrong to say this.
just wait til he gets in the seat. yall aint seen nothin yet
i would imagine it is. they fought very hard for it
do we have anymore agents in the field out there for him to give the cossack madman?
A classic that is so relevant now. youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA
Without Biden Ukraine is gone. Europe doesn't have a single backbone to stand up to Russia. If they become Russia's beeswax, it's on them.
- You don't know much about Europe do you, this was the final nail in the coffin of Atlanticism.
  
  Well then, do enlighten me? Who's going to step up providing aid to Ukraine once US stops?
This is a dumb thing to say what would have Russia said if Kamala won?
"Oh shoot, this is really bad for us"
They'd probably say the exact same thing they did here.

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