9mo ago

‘They will vote against Harris’: Arab Americans in Michigan desert Democrats over Gaza

www.theguardian.com

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/21396125

Stephen Starr in Hamtramck, Michigan
Mon 14 Oct 2024 11.00 EDT

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9mo ago

‘They will vote against Harris’: Arab Americans in Michigan desert Democrats over Gaza

www.theguardian.com /us-news/2024/oct/14/hamtramck-donald-trump-arab-american-muslim

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9mo ago

‘They will vote against Harris’: Arab Americans in Michigan desert Democrats over Gaza

www.theguardian.com /us-news/2024/oct/14/hamtramck-donald-trump-arab-american-muslim

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Peter Link @lemmy.ml

9mo ago

‘They will vote against Harris’: Arab Americans in Michigan desert Democrats over Gaza

www.theguardian.com /us-news/2024/oct/14/hamtramck-donald-trump-arab-american-muslim

33 comments

I would like everyone to note that Peter Link, who posts endless articles, has a very obvious agenda, but almost never comments.
Posting article after article but never engaging is bad faith participation in Lemmy.
- Over 500 posts and barely a dozen comments.
  And yeah their posts clearly have an agenda. A lot of “both sides bad don’t vote” kind of stuff.
  
  "both sides bad" has won almost every US election, according to this chart.
  It's literally the most popular position when you consider voter turnout and % of votes for each main party.
- Blocked, grazi.
- I have the guy tagged, and half my feed is his posts
- Sorry if you think that my posting reflects "bad faith". I have responded to comments a few times, but generally I'm trying to get useful articles out to the Fediverse. (I also post a lot in Mastodon.)
  I did write one long comment on voting for Harris, where I stated that it is a difficult decision for me, because each day I get angrier at the Biden/Harris blank check for Bibi. At the same time, I clearly don't want Trump.
  
  But you'll continue to post things that might dissuade others from voting, thus helping Trump?
  Yeah, I am not buying it.
I wonder how much it hurts to shoot yourself in the foot.
I wonder what lies they will tell themselves about how it's not their fault when Trump decides to support Israel twice as hard as Kamala has.
- Or deport them for being brown.
- You're seeing it from the outside so you won't understand them. They don't have the need to lie when things worsen. Even They've already expected things will be worst under Trump. Just to aid you to understand their mindset: Suffering 100x more by your enemy is much more endurable than the bitterness of being betrayed by your own kind.
  
  That's a stupid bit of mental gymnastics.
  I don't enjoy cutting off my nose to spite my face, regardless of who is causing it.
- If they don't vote for anyone then I understand and sympathize. If they vote for ultra-genocide to spite Democrats then they get what they asked for.
They'd cut off their nose to spite their face?
- Definitely not all of them. But there might be enough to really hurt themselves. Won't take much.
I am sure Trump will do a bang up job as he drives a tank around GAZA just for kicks.
It's not like these voters didn't fucking MAKE LOUD AND CLEAR their intention during the primary with the Undecided movement SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
At this point, this is 100% the Democrats campaign fault for not PANDERING BETTER to the demands of their own god damn base. It's called a democracy you nitwits, you're supposed to REPRESENT people.
Edit: this is the POV of a Canadian, seeing Americans throw their democracy away. Democrats made a whole ruckus about how they put country over party, but it seems they could not put country over ...CUFI and AIPAC.
“We are in a moment where our community is suffering and hurting in more ways than we can count. We have also seen four years under a Trump presidency and what that did to our community, and the risks that come with that,” said a spokesperson for Arab Americans for Harris-Walz. “We’re not saying that with a Harris administration there is no risk, but under a Trump administration, the risk is much higher. We believe [backing Harris] is a more favorable path forward for us here in the United States and in our home countries.”
It's not too late, Kamala can pivot to the left and pledge to obey the Lehey law.
If she does, then Israel either changes their behavior or they stop getting any military aid/arms from America.
That's all that needs done, Kamala to pledge to follow the law.
It's not a big ask from voters, and it would hand her the votes she needs in the states she needs to win the election.
- Wild that you're getting down voted for wanting to comply with international humanitarian law.
- The problem is that Kamala (along with every politician in the U.S.) has to weigh the how much support they will lose if they support ceasing armaments to Israel with how much they will gain by doing so. I’m betting the polling data shows fairly conclusively that they’d stand to lose more voter support by ceasing arms shipments to Israel than they’d gain. At the very least, I’m betting that’s the fear of a lot of Democrats.
  
  So you think trump giving aid to Russia against US law would be ok if it gets him votes?
  This is the exact reason turnout is low.
  Lots of voters won't hold their nose to blatant crimes even if the only other option does more crimes...

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