Okay, had to do some digging in the Tankie Tube tags. :smh:
This is Claudia De la Cruz, a prominent community organizer that appears to be rallying for support of a third party.
From her website votesocialist2024.com:
“Claudia De la Cruz and Karina Garcia are running for President and Vice-President as the candidates of the Party for Socialism and Liberation.”
Well yeah, that’s sounds great. But here’s the problem with that; the USA is a two-party system. You can either vote for the Democratic Party or the Republican Party, there’s an Independent party but that’s irrelevant here. If Claudia wanted to make real change she wouldn’t be “the ‘spoiler’ candidate”, she would fight and lobby for ranked choice voting so that constituents could actually vote for a third and fourth party. Instead, she’s chosen the vain path of US presidency, a place she’s destined to fail.
Luckily her geographical influence appears localized in NY. Because if she was making any real waves, like in swing states, it would only hurt democrats at the poles, which is why this is some seriously dumb shit to be pulling in one of the most crucial presidential elections in modern history.
You want to make change, get better representation? You need to change the system first. Running for president in a third party isn’t going to do shit and everyone knows that. Maybe it’s all for the campaign dollars.
Hey OP, if you really give a shit about this “movement” maybe explain what your 1:30 quick-cut clip of some random rally is about.
Well yeah, that’s sounds great. But here’s the problem with that; the USA is a two-party system. You can either vote for the Democratic Party or the Republican Party, there’s an Independent party but that’s irrelevant here. If Claudia wanted to make real change she wouldn’t be “the ‘spoiler’ candidate”, she would fight and lobby for ranked choice voting so that constituents could actually vote for a third and fourth party. Instead, she’s chosen the vain path of US presidency, a place she’s destined to fail.
You can read PSL's Party Platform, they are Marxists and thud revolutionary. They don't believe they can win electorally, the point of running is to delegitimize the electoral system and advertise their party platform. They organize and grow year round, not just electorally. She isn't a spoiler candidate, because people voting for her would not vote for the Dems otherwise, they would vote for a different third party or abstain.
Secondly, the idea that Ranked Choice Voting would fix things is ridiculous. Not only is it not enough in any way, but it is also treated like a solution either party wants, which is false. There are small pockets with RCV allowed in states with little to no say. Additionally, there is no way to push either party to adopt RCV.
You want to make change, get better representation? You need to change the system first. Running for president in a third party isn’t going to do shit and everyone knows that. Maybe it’s all for the campaign dollars.
It's to delegitimize the electoral system and to advertise the party and party platform, PSL organizes year round, campaigns are generally the least of their worries.
people voting for her would not vote for the Dems otherwise, they would vote for a different third party or abstain
That’s just stupid. I doubt supporters would rather Trump win, and by not voting Democrat that’s exactly what those people are helping. You are straight up helping Trump become president. Period.
Sure, keep up the grassroots movement, but fucking vote Dem, Jesus Christ. To throw your votes away like that is selfish and will only hurt your movement. You think you guys will have a better time getting your ideas across with a Trump presidency? You need to coalesce with another stronger party to be seen or heard. You think PSL is unique in any way? Alternative parties like PSL have come and gone for years because they have no strategy - you know, like thinking RCV is “ridiculous”. Look at the Forward Party, for example, for some not-so-ridiculous ideas that can give third parties a fighting chance.
It's to delegitimize the electoral system and to advertise the party and party platform, PSL organizes year round, campaigns are generally the least of their worries.
Sounds delightful. But since it’s almost, you know, fucking November, can PSL leaders remind their constituents to vote Dem or we're all fucked? Because, right now in the world we live in today, that’s how it works. If Trump returns to the office, you’re damn right campaigning will be the very least of their worries.
I have zero idea what this clip is about
You should watch the clip then
I did lol
What movement are they talking about, who is that woman? There’s zero context.
Okay, had to do some digging in the Tankie Tube tags. :smh:
This is Claudia De la Cruz, a prominent community organizer that appears to be rallying for support of a third party.
From her website votesocialist2024.com: “Claudia De la Cruz and Karina Garcia are running for President and Vice-President as the candidates of the Party for Socialism and Liberation.”
Well yeah, that’s sounds great. But here’s the problem with that; the USA is a two-party system. You can either vote for the Democratic Party or the Republican Party, there’s an Independent party but that’s irrelevant here. If Claudia wanted to make real change she wouldn’t be “the ‘spoiler’ candidate”, she would fight and lobby for ranked choice voting so that constituents could actually vote for a third and fourth party. Instead, she’s chosen the vain path of US presidency, a place she’s destined to fail.
Luckily her geographical influence appears localized in NY. Because if she was making any real waves, like in swing states, it would only hurt democrats at the poles, which is why this is some seriously dumb shit to be pulling in one of the most crucial presidential elections in modern history.
You want to make change, get better representation? You need to change the system first. Running for president in a third party isn’t going to do shit and everyone knows that. Maybe it’s all for the campaign dollars.
Hey OP, if you really give a shit about this “movement” maybe explain what your 1:30 quick-cut clip of some random rally is about.
You can read PSL's Party Platform, they are Marxists and thud revolutionary. They don't believe they can win electorally, the point of running is to delegitimize the electoral system and advertise their party platform. They organize and grow year round, not just electorally. She isn't a spoiler candidate, because people voting for her would not vote for the Dems otherwise, they would vote for a different third party or abstain.
Secondly, the idea that Ranked Choice Voting would fix things is ridiculous. Not only is it not enough in any way, but it is also treated like a solution either party wants, which is false. There are small pockets with RCV allowed in states with little to no say. Additionally, there is no way to push either party to adopt RCV.
It's to delegitimize the electoral system and to advertise the party and party platform, PSL organizes year round, campaigns are generally the least of their worries.
That’s just stupid. I doubt supporters would rather Trump win, and by not voting Democrat that’s exactly what those people are helping. You are straight up helping Trump become president. Period.
Sure, keep up the grassroots movement, but fucking vote Dem, Jesus Christ. To throw your votes away like that is selfish and will only hurt your movement. You think you guys will have a better time getting your ideas across with a Trump presidency? You need to coalesce with another stronger party to be seen or heard. You think PSL is unique in any way? Alternative parties like PSL have come and gone for years because they have no strategy - you know, like thinking RCV is “ridiculous”. Look at the Forward Party, for example, for some not-so-ridiculous ideas that can give third parties a fighting chance.
Sounds delightful. But since it’s almost, you know, fucking November, can PSL leaders remind their constituents to vote Dem or we're all fucked? Because, right now in the world we live in today, that’s how it works. If Trump returns to the office, you’re damn right campaigning will be the very least of their worries.