2y ago

Investigating the Nord Stream Attack: All the Evidence Points To Kyiv

www.spiegel.de

only a handful of investigators at most have been assigned to work on the Nord Stream case on a full-time basis.

the perception among investigators is that the will to solve the case is not particularly pronounced in the capital. Politically, it is easier to live with what happened if it remains unclear who is behind the attacks.

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"This is the most important investigation of Germany's postwar history because of its potential political implications," says a senior security official.
And yet, nobody in Germany cares. Neither officials nor the people (nor me). The pipe should never have been built, so let's be thankful to whoever helped us un-building it.
- Indeed. And even if Ukraine did it IMO it's a reasonable target in a war like this. Wouldn't bother me.
  
  This. So what if Ukraine destroyed the pipeline. Russia invaded their country. Its war. All bets are off when it comes to war. The Ukrainians are allowed to attack Russian assets. Whether they did it themselves or they were helped by the US doesn't particularly matter. Short of boots on the ground the USA is doing everything it can to support Ukraine in this war. Russia and Russian propagandists can go fuck themselves.
  
  Best thing that could’ve happened to Germany and Europe. For too long have they been suckling on Russia’s tits and became too dependent on cheap Russian gas.
- Yeah... I always suspected it was Ukraine, since what would Russia gain from destroying it?
  Weirdly enough, I think it might have benefited Germany by removing the insane option to bow to Russia's blackmail. Just the debate might destabilize the government / society. With NS gone, there wasn't any question.
  
  If it was Russia, a possible motive would be so that they frame the US for blowing it up in the hope that Europe would then blame the US for destroying the supply of gas to Europe. One of the biggest goals of Russia's disinformation campaigns is to hurt relations between the US and Europe by portraying the US as the bad guy.
- Do you think if we ask nicely they'll hit the Trans Mountain next?
- Great, the hexbear loonies escaped the asylum again
  
  Bootlickers: try not to respond with accusations of mental illness challenge: (IMPOSSIBLE) (GONE WRONG) (GONE NATO)
  
  Do you have a rebuttal to the argument or are you just trolling?
  
  I mean... Man's got a good point here lol. As far as circumstantial evidence goes, this is pretty damning.
A lot of speculation, uncertainty and hypotheticals. The west will continue to support Ukraine against Russia.
- Who do you think blew up the pipeline?
  
  A case could probably be made for either side. Russia supposedly has done this before in Georgia
- Yeah this article is missing the mark. Much like the larger conflict the U.S. is going to throw Ukranians under the bus for it's own agenda, like selling oil and gas to the EU at wildly inflated rates.
  
  Why sell oil when the US can sell weapons? It helps that Russia can't sell theirs.
"Of course it does! We trained those divers well, they wouldn't generate evidence for our investigators to find that points back to us now would they?"
- Great, the hexbear loonies escaped the asylum again
I'll just leave this here
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obviously with the support and assent of the US, but it is a funny counterfactual if the US posturing had actually been to politically pressure the end of Nordstream & it actually fucked up the plan when rogue ukrainians blew it up
I figured that was pretty obvious. It should not have been built in the first place.
Der Spiegel is running Russian propaganda now? Shameful.
Also shameful is that privacy popup with no opt-out option. Isn't that non-compliant?
- Sure, because reporting on facts is Russian propaganda the moment you don't like these facts. Good to know that most morons actually love autoritarian regimes without press freedom and like being controlled by propaganda. They simply disagree on who should be the one to spoon-feed them their latest believes.

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