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Capitalism

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Hey I've seen this meme in so many times but can some one tell me from which movie it is.
- The Person of Interest TV series. S04E10 The Cold War.
  Know Your Meme page.
  
  Thank you kind stranger.
I'll be that guy that says wars cost a fuckton. So the US gov't can't live war to war because it doesn't help them. Not financially anyway.
*I'm getting a lot of similar messages so: Maybe profitable for industries. Expensive for government. Take a look at any federal deficit and debt.
- Maybe not the government or citizens, but war helps the congress members, the CEOs of the military industrial complex, and their families get fabulously wealthy.
  
  You can do that without war.
- Then why does the US government constantly do it? Are they stupid? Or does it indeed help the US as the neocolonial hegemon? ‘How to Hide an Empire’ Shines Light on America’s Expansionist Side
  
  Then why does the US government constantly do it? Are they stupid?
  Isn't this the official story? That they're a clumsy giant who just keeps oopse whoopsie-ing into all these atrocities with no selfish motive?
  
  Profitable for industries. Expensive for government. Take a look at any federal deficit and debt.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_profiteering
  The government isn't something that exists above society, but is a facet of it. The MIC directly profits from wars, it pays politicians, politicians are motivated toward hawkish positions, the taxpayer is made to subsidize this. There are many other circuits discussed in the article, as concern the impact war has on the consumer market, how it's used for imperialism, etc.
  Ultimately, wealth comes from labor, but the arrangement of war profiteering is extremely good at extracting wealth from labor in all sorts of ways.
  
  Government debt.
- Wars are plenty profitable if you’re a lot bigger than your opponents and can force them to be subservient to your business interests. It’s not a fluke that the richest country on earth is also the one with the most frequent wars.
- Is that not the point? Government functions by moving wealth from the public into the private, massive expenses portrayed to be for our benefit end up being excuses for taxes, and the enormous costs facilitate enormous wealth transfers into the private corporations who support and facilitate the wars.
  
  moving wealth from the public into the private
  That's a side effect of capitalism and lobbying (aka bribing) the government for preferential treatment. But it's kind of the opposite of the point of government. Most businesses are incredibly selfish and will cut every corner they can without the government there to enforce workplace safety, market rules, and policing fraud and theft.
I'm a fan of capitalism, but not the kind of capitalism that decrees something is too big to fail and must be bailed out.
- Next you'll say that you like capitalism, but not the kind that uses slave labor as an integral element.
  
  I don't care for capitalism, but Adam Smith was an abolitionist. He absolutely hated slavery because he believed it to be immoral firstly, and economically inefficient secondly. He couldn't prove the second part, but once someone at either Cambridge or Oxford did manage to prove it, Great Britain and Europe outlawed slavery. Again, I'm not defending capitalism here, and I'm certain, from the tone of The Theory of Moral Sentiments, that, were he alive today, Smith would be railing against Capitalism. I'm just pointing out that it was supposed to be abolished far quicker than The Civil War.

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