Jill Stein, Chase Oliver Could Cost Kamala Harris in Pennsylvania: Poll

That’s pretty much the job of a spoiler candidate. It’s always fun to see where the money's coming from too.

Oh! Another tired old "spoiler" accusation—it's the anthem of those too frightened to face the truth of their crumbling duopoly.
You dismiss Stein as a mere spoiler, yet seems you guys cry at the thought of her rising in the polls, threatening the power of the status quo you so dearly cling to.
It’s no surprise you bring up money—it’s the lifeblood of the corrupt duopoly system you defend.
Keep watching, friend. The winds of change are blowing, and no amount of slander will stop it. People are growing tired of the duopoly.
- The problem with your statement is stein will never rise in the polls enough to threaten the duopoly. The best they can do is distract. If they really wanted change they would ignore presidential races and push for different voting methods down ballot.
- So you're fine with Trump. Got it.
- Stein is not ever going to win the presidency and her running is an active campaign for Trump, full stop. If the Green Party was a serious political entity they would be running down ballot candidates before just running one charlatan for president.
  That being said; this is a Newsweek article so I question any validity to it. I have been asked to respond to a poll if I would be voting for Harris and I actively chose not to because I didn’t like the sassy bullshit language used in the text. Polls are useless bullshit.
- I voted for Stein in 2016. Yeah, I’ve learned my lesson.
  I’ll vote for anyone but democrats or republicans in any election where they have a chance. I’m a leftist and I want change just short of taking up arms and making it happen. I know which elections I’m beaten though and I will vote for an undesirable option to hope that I avoid the absolute worst option.
- This is the reality.
  Keep talking about stein being “labeled” while everyone else is talking about the reality of her actions…
  She sits with Putin, she doesn’t get elected, and multiple times she only just spoils elections.
  You want to attack a “duopoly” but what has Jill Stein done other than reenforce the worst half of that duopoly ? I mean that’s her legacy. Reinforcing the system and making it worse not moving anything in a better direction. So why keep backing that person?
- You literally posted an article about Stein being a spoiler candidate. That's the entire point of the article, that her and the libertarian candidate could cost Harris the election. That's "spoiling" the election.
  In order for a third party to win and dethrone the shitty reality of a 2 party system, that third party has to have the infrastructure of members in the house and senate so that if they win, people will work with them, and the party has to have people rally behind them. The problem right now is that there aren't third parties currently in the house or senate, Independents don't count cause there is no Independent party. And there isn't a third party candidate people are trying to rally behind. It's Jill Stein, or Cornell West, or Claudia de la Cruz, or Jasmine Sherman or others. It's never one singular candidate. In order for a third party to win, it has to be 1 candidate. And people who advocate to vote for a third party need to decide on who that 1 candidate should be. Because otherwise you're splitting your vote between multiple candidates, cutting your chances of winning significantly.
  If you think a third party should rise, fine. That's understandable, the current parties have significant problems, what with one being nazis and the other not being as left as the populace would want. But unless you pick someone to advocate for and rally behind, your point is moot. You will never win.
- lol you’re so insecure

Removed, civility.
One, I'm not even voting for Jill Stein. Two, it's against this community's guidelines and rules to call me a troll. Please stay civil if you'd like to engage in conversation with me. Thank you!

3rd party voters existing in a duopoly...

When the left most available candidate isn't perfect:

📣📣📣📣

when the christiofascist nationalist compromised felon is in office:

🦗🦗🦗🦗

I hate to break it to you, there will always be threats like Trump and never a time good enough for liberals to vote third party.
- Absolutely not. If trump was someone like mitt Romney or John McCain, half the issues about him disappear. ( Being compromised by Russia, being a felon, being an insurrectionist) mind, I'm not a republican and still wouldn't be happy about those candidates.
  That said, the point of my comment is that green party voters smell funny, as if they have more interest in kneecapping a Democrat rather than avoiding a republican. I wonder why.
If you're more concerned with shutting down third-party voices than holding the system accountable, then maybe it's time to ask yourself who you're really fighting for.
- In 2024, in this election, I am exclusively seeking to keep trump out of the Whitehouse. Any viable, competitive candidate that is not trump is an acceptable alternative.
  Emphasis on competitive. If the candidate is more interesting, but less competitive than Harris, then they're out, as their discussion only risks trump.
  Rejection of the duopoly is academically interesting, but cannot be brought about in a presidential election. It requires campaign finance reform, voting reform (no more FPTP), and judicial reform. None of those are available to stein or Harris between now and November.
  Edit third party enjoyers would do well to focus their efforts on bringing about proportional representation, or similar, as a vehicle to platform their candidates such that they can effectively act on their positions.
- In this case it's not who you're fighting for. It's what arena you're fighting in. We're fighting in reality. You're fighting in an imaginary storybook world.

What's the goal for Jill Stein? Climate change initiatives? Liberals are fighting in the trenches to make change while she's giving lipservice.

Policy making isn't easy, democracy is slow. Holding the Democratic Party hostage to force them to do something they already want just hurts the cause.

- How is that my "job"? I didn't write the article. You know that, right?
I actually lean more socialist than green, but I think the goal for Jill Stein is to push for more urgent and comprehensive action on issues like climate change, healthcare, and social justice—things that many feel aren't being addressed quickly or effectively enough by the Democratic Party.
I agree that policy-making is slow and democracy can be messy, supporting third-party candidates is about pushing the conversation further and holding all parties accountable to the people.
The duopoly has had countless chances with both Democrats and Republicans taking turns in power, yet they haven’t made the necessary changes. It’s not about hurting the cause; it’s about ending the cycle of inaction and ensuring the issues we care about don’t get sidelined.
- Well, Republicans are actively opposed to those things. And Democrats need enough support to enact those things.
  It's frustrating for Dems too. And it's more frustrating when people like Jill Stein make it harder. She should join the party instead of fighting it. But I guess this makes her feel better. She can dislike the system, but things are going to get worse if Republicans win. Just like things got worse in 2016.

Chase Oliver is getting some of the lowest poll numbers of any recent Libertarian nominees and that's saying something.

If Chase Oliver costs anyone an election, that campaign fucked up severely.

If he costs someone the election, it means the election was very close. That's all.
Agreed!

As long as the duopoly is scared and angry, then an impact is being made.

OP ain't beating the allegations with this thread... Never seen so much blue in the replies. Seems their primary goal is baiting people into bans. Major hallway monitor energy.

Yes, it does seem clear that there are folks here just trying to bait me, but I’m not biting. I’ll keep standing up for what I believe in, even if it’s unpopular. :)
- I feel like you've got a lot in common with Terrence Howard. Confidence galore without the basic math skills to know you're objectively misguided. Insulting people doesn't change any minds, but neither does coddling them, pretending they have a point.

Oh, great. So taking that all the way through, our punishment shall be the destruction of the US by the psychopath convicted felon? Not on my watch buddy.

The real punishment is continuing to prop up a broken system that fails the people, only to keep out one monster while letting another thrive.
If you truly want to prevent the rise of a psychopath, start by dismantling the structures that allow them to exist in the first place. Ignoring the rot at the core will only bring more destruction in the long run.
Accepting and voting for the Duopoly you seem to worship so much? Not on my watch, buddy.

All Harris needs to do is show just one lousy photon of daylight between her and Biden on this. She won't. Netanyahu dictates US foreign policy.

How do we interfere in Israeli elections? It seems that the easiest way to bring about change in the US is to change our politicians' owners.

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She should lean harder into supporting the genocide. That'll help.

How much harder can Stein lean into supporting it? She's doing everything she can to get Trump elected.
- She’s doing everything she can to get Trump elected.
  It's ironic you accuse Stein of working to elect Trump when it's the very establishment you defend that paved the way for him in the first place.
  If you're so worried about Trump, maybe it's time to look in the mirror and ask why the so-called "opposition" has failed to inspire real hope and unity among the people.
Agreed.