Biden at the Democratic convention was unrecognisable from his disastrous debate
Biden at the Democratic convention was unrecognisable from his disastrous debate
Biden’s voice was strong and clear, and the crowd was far warmer to him as an outgoing president
It's one event with a month of prep time and a teleprompter. Biden hasn't lost all faculties, but he can't be this "on" every day for the next 3 months while also being president. This is carefully curated to his strengths, making him look good, which is great, but it's no sign he could be president in 4 years.
And it's not like he delivered flawlessly, he still has at least one part where he seemed to get lost, and the crowd covered for him.
Did have real mixed feelings about the "Thank You Joe" chant. It was kind of wholesome in a way, but I imagine it feels bad to have been pushed out like he was.
Sure.
Though something no one is mentioning is if he felt like he had to stay on to do the right thing, and made a very difficult decision to step down, part of this energy may be a relief we've all felt at one point or another.
I just can't shake the feeling that Biden never really wanted the job. He took it because he was convinced he was needed to oust Trump.
Well he isn't running to be president anymore, now is he?
This was a beautiful way to accentuate that transition, handing over the baton to a younger generation and having faith in that difficult decision.
“I’ve got a lot to do. I intend to get it done. It’s been the honour of my lifetime to serve as your president. I love the job, but I love my country more.”
Attaboy, Joe. Good man.
Did he turn Canadian?
It’s a silent u
I think the biggest difference is that it is far easier to recite a static speach he has practiced 100 times than it is to dynamically adapt to a live debate.
I think the difference is that he was recovering from a bad cold during the debate.
That cold must've hung on a long time, because people said he was just as bad at other events and meetups he went to. People were hoping it was just a bad night, but apparently it wasn't.
It's obvious the guy's highly motivated, and I've seen younger men overwork themselves into an early grave. It's no big shock that his mind isn't as sharp as it once was. Also, I'm sure having a stutter just makes that even worse.
Yeah. That theory actually seems plausible but I’m very very happy he had that cold.
They DO NOT practice these speeches, there's no time. Rather, they become like actors and are able to just go, pretty much like how news presenters do.
Yeah, the fact that this sounded a lot like one of his anti-Trump stump speeches, coupled with the fact that he barely mentioned Kamala, makes me think he's been rehearsing this one since before July 21st.
Well, yeah, it was a rehearsed speech, read off a teleprompter, with a sympathetic crowd. Much different than a debate, where you have to speak off the cuff, within a time limit, and the crowd (if there is one) pledges to be non-partisan.
And, maybe Biden took Trump's advice and hopped himself up on pills. I wouldn't blame him for it, personally.
Exactly.
It's fucking shameful people want to act like Biden is still mentally capable.
His admin hid his mental decline for years and tried to shove him thru against voters wishes, because they might not get their jobs in the admin if Biden isn't president.
At least he didn't offer to do away with voting, call POWs and veterans names, be the adulterer in all 3 marriages, and generally doent understand democracy (much less democratic processes). When you measure the two against eachother, I'd think you might start actually giving a fuck
I honestly don't think his problem is his mind. His mind is sharp, but his body is betraying him. When he slips up and can't find the next word, or mixes up some names, I think it's just his mouth outpacing his brain. When you give him time to finish his thought, he shows he still understands well.
Note that I'm not trying to minimize this. While I understand where his issues are, I still l think he's better off quitting and letting new blood take over.
Contrast this with Trump, who can't stay on topic even with a teleprompter. His insistence that Harris "started out Indian, then turned Black" can be explained by the idea that he can't tell the difference between Harris and Nikki Haley. I think Trump is much further gone than Biden is. Neither should be running
Biden's job was to save the party from a Bernie Sanders nomination. The DNC and the corporations couldn't have that.
Yep, Hillary had the same job but misogyny won out back then.
Misogyny was a small part of it and mostly used as an insult to people that had questions. Kamala hasn't been accused of any crimes as far as I know. That's the biggest difference between the two campaigns, aside from the fact that everyone is relieved Biden is leaving office by choice. Hilary might have even been able to win this election, but I definitely would rather have Kamala over Hillary.
"I love the job, but I love my country more."
That's a strong sentence. I hope he can now just enjoy the rest of his life.
I watched the whole speech. He still had the same issues. The pauses, stutters, stammering over sentences, and these were in the teleprompter. The difference is these were prepared remarks that were rehearsed, and he was speaking loudly for an audience. I wouldn't say he was "unrecognizable" from the debate, just a different situation. I woukd have voted for him, but I'm glad he stepped aside. It was time.
pauses, stutters, stammering over sentences
The dude has had a lifelong stutter. Has no one heard Joe Biden talk in the last several decades? He paused and stuttered when he was in the Senate too.
He doesn't usually have those pauses when he's reading from teleprompter though, or at least it's less noticable. His off the cuff pauses and stutters seem more natural when they happen. When he's reading from a teleprompter and still having the same issues, it reads as if he's having issues comprehending the words that are coming out of his mouth as he saying and expressing them, which is understandably not illustrating confidence for some people.
He was giving what was essentially a 2020 campaign speech and appeared to be referencing 2017 events, so it makes sense he had a better grip with it.
It's because he can focus on doing one job. Asking an 80.year old man to run the country on the campaign trail was laughable at best.
That's because it didn't take place at 8pm. Even people 20 years younger than Biden almost can't stay up later than 8pm.
Biden did not appear until 10.26pm Chicago time – which was 11.26pm in New York and Washington.
It was actually after 10pm when he spoke at the DNC.
I'm half his age and staying up past 9 is rare for me
Hey! I resemble that remark!
Im sure having the enormous weight of having to juggle to get rejected helps.
I honestly thought he still sounded pretty weak. He's never been a great public speaker.
He started really weak but he still sounded pretty good for someone in his 80s.
The debate wasnt fucking disasterous, god damn what is this fucking collective hallucination about the debate.
You know why he was better this time? Cause he hadnt spent the past 3 days traveling around the world and as a result wasnt jetlagged to fuck, and wasnt sick this time to boot.
And he still did 10,000 times better at the debate than Trump did.
The DNC’s late-running convention programming reopened the wounds for some of President Biden’s allies, Axios reports.
Said one: “This is awful. He literally set up a campaign and handed it over to them — do they have to cut him out of prime time?”
I agree that is babble
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Then you clearly did not watch his speech
Haaaaaaa mask off
The debate was a one-off for Biden, and that's the way the cookies crumble.
Trump said the Dems were doing post-birth abortions.
Biden had a raspy voice.
Who was destroyed by the media?
Howard Dean said “yeaaahh!” strangely that one time and that was it for him. It doesn’t take much.
Because our media is shit
Biden really was visibly too old. But they’re also pretty good at ginning up issues literally out of nothing when they want to.
That's confusing cause and effect. Howard Dean's speech was supposed to be a concession speech after losing the only early primary/caucus he was trying to win. He poured in all of his resources in the hopes of winning Iowa, underperformed expectations against a backdrop of dropping in the polls for weeks, and coming in third (with no real prospects for New Hampshire or South Carolina) basically made it impossible for him to have the volunteers, money, or press coverage to survive into the next stage of competing in bigger states with primaries clumped up together.
He showed everyone his plan of winning Iowa or going home, lost Iowa, and then gave some kind of rallying speech as if he had a plan to recover from that loss. He never did, and it wasn't the scream that killed his campaign. His campaign was dead before the scream happened. It's just that the scream was a particularly memorable way for a campaign to die.
people didn't like that scream?
That's a pretty rad scream.
EEeeYEAH-HyeeuuUH!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwkNnMrsx7Q?t=50
Don't forget that we voted for Bush because people would rather have a beer in their back yard with him than with Kerry.
That's a pretty generous summation of the problems with Biden's debate performance. It was also hardly a one-off. Every time Biden appears it's a coin flip for which Biden shows up, which is why he appears so infrequently.
You are absolutely right about how Trump's bullshit gets largely ignored by the press though.
Remember that Biden has a stutter. It's a condition that has no cure and can only be managed.
It was hardly a one-off. He was setting off alarm bells left and right beforehand, and the debate was his chance to regain some confidence. And he had a bad night then as well. So yah, he has his good days, but it's pretty apparent that his good days are getting far between.
This was the right decision, it's a shame he had to be pretty much forced into it by everyone else that saw it. I blame his handlers, and they should have their asses handed to them for trying to fuck the rest of us by keeping him past his best-before date and giving Trump the presidency.
Biden said we finally beat Medicare.
It blows my mind that “Biden just had a raspy voice!!” isn’t banned as misinformation here. Because it literally is, there is no reasonable way to interpret “we beat Medicare” being yelled over and over as the result of a raspy voice. Absolute memory hole shit.
I was intrigued to find out last night what he meant to say.
"We finally beat Big Pharma."
Bullshit.
I really thought we were past the gaslighting that the only thing wrong with Biden was a sore throat. But here we are....
He was also getting hammered on Gaza. Over 650,000 Democrats voted "uncommitted" in the primary.