Dr. Jill Stein announces Butch Ware as VP running mate
Dr. Jill Stein announces Butch Ware as VP running mate
WASHINGTON (TND) — Dr.Jill Stein, who is a Green Party presidential candidate, has selected Professor Butch Ware as her vice-presidential running mate.
How does she get to 270?
Can't?
Oh then she's a spoiler for trump to win then.
Simple as
How many votes do you think she’s likely to get in swing states, which are the only states that matter? Enough to spoil Harris? She’s not even on the ballot in Georgia. The point of Stein’s campaign is not to win or to be a spoiler. The point is messaging and putting pressure the Democratic party to move further left.
The Liberal myth of spoiler implies that if there were no 3rd party candidates, we would vote for your neoliberal POS candidates, surprise, we would not.
Oh then she’s a spoiler for trump to win then.
Then maybe get a stronger Democrat candidate so you don't have to worry about that person losing votes a third party.
Simple as
Could be the best Democratic candidate of all time and that would still happen. It's silly.
If you want to do something productive and not shoot yourself in the foot, spend your time advocating for the abolition of FPTP and an alternative ranked voting system.
The spoiler effect is position based, not strength based.
I still think Cornel West is going to cut into her voters.
Maybe. But I don't mind him being on the ballot, even tho I am not voting for him.
She should have stayed on as his campaign manager, they might have gotten a percent and a half of the vote that way.
New record!
I got that on my computer in 1997 and kept getting pop ups for gay dating websites
Butch Ware sounds like something I need an antivirus app to clean off my computer.
"This is truly a historic ticket bringing together a Jewish woman and Black Muslim man against genocide, endless war, climate collapse, and rampant injustice, and for an economy that works for working people, a livable future for our children, and an America and a world that works for all of us.”
She forgot to mention how it was all brought together in the first place by a white male dictator in Russia.
No russians made Jill Stein run for president. lmao
In regular times, maybe. The DNC abandoned the idea of incorporating third party policies ages ago.
I wish voting for this ticket could keep my conscious clean but that's just not how reality works.
I support and totally respect your opinion on that.
But for me, variations of people/parties saying, "Oh, we need change, but not THIS election" or "NOW isn't the time, it's too important to try now..." etc, has been said for the last 50 years.
50 years!
So no, I'm done with the whole, "Not this time, next time tho!" line of thinking. I'm voting for who I want to vote for. Right now. And it feels awesome.
Appeal to oppression olympians. An interesting strategy. Let's see how this plays out.
I like what I know of him so far. But I don't know a bunch about him just yet, since he was just announced. But on paper so far, I like him.
Having said that, I doubt very much it will sway anyone who wasn't already going to vote Green anyway.
I get that this is a strong ticket on paper, but it’s really not the time for this.
Voting for Stein when somebody would’ve otherwise voted Harris basically just hands support to the voter’s least liked candidate.
It’s a well-known phenomenon, see the Spoiler Effect.
Don't worry about it, very few people will vote for this Russian stooge and those who do were never going to vote for Harris anyway.
So then, you have nothing to worry about. :)
Agreed.
And I'd say that the notion that a vote for a third party “dilutes” the vote is rooted in a fear-driven mentality rather than in democratic principles.
It assumes that votes are owned by the two major parties, which they are not. Our electoral system is supposed to represent the diverse views of the electorate, not just those of the dominant parties.
In the end, I personally refuse to be intimidated into voting against my conscience. Democracy thrives on diversity of thought.
If that’s how you feel, then why vote for a particular party at all?
Why not just write in whoever you most desire to be the president? There’s nothing against that, after all…
You have to vote strategically. That is: with an eye to what your vote will actually DO.
Not voting, or voting third party in this election will directly contribute to the installation of a fascist dictator and the destruction of democracy.
Voting is not dating. You're not trying to hook up with The ONE who is "perfect" for you.
Voting is public transport. You grab the one that's going to get you closer to where you want to go.
Its neither. Trump or Harris will win. They both have flaws, but one of them has significantly more including wanting to be a dictator and removing the right to vote going forward. The notion that a 3rd party vote dilutes is based in strategic voting. We have a system that benefits only 2 teams, refusal to work within that 2 team system without first erecting groundwork to actually have a chance at winning is either: 1) removing votes from the main candidate of those 2 teams you'd rather see prevail over the other or 2) not voting against the candidate you'd most like to see fail. It didn't matter which of those is the case, they are both diluting.
They are. The system is erected such that only a member of one of the 2 major parties will actually win the presidency. Therefore only votes for them actually matter.
It's not. First past the post only helps the dominate parties. They are the only ones that stand a chance at winning and they are the only ones who actually win. This results in a majority of the electorate compromising somewhere to settle on a less ideal candidate. Ranked choice voting and proportional representation with a parliamentary system of government is significantly better at representing the diverse views of the electorate.
That's fine. Your preferred candidate won't win and you will not be contributing to choosing a candidate that more closely aligns with your views than the other.
No it doesn't. Democracy thrives on having access to the polls. Outcomes of democracy thrive on them being educated, voting critically, and for their best interests, and having proportional representation.
Some people believing women shouldn't have control of their bodies, that they belong naked, standing in the kitchen without the right to vote, some people believing women should have autonomy and suffrage, some people believing women should have autonomy, but not the right to vote, and some people believing that a man should have 1 vote for him and all his dependents are a diverse selection of thoughts. But those thoughts and the people that hold them are not causing democracy to thrive.
All told there are tons of problems with our electoral system from the EC to paid ballot access for minor parties, first past the post, unlimited money, 2 year campaign cycle, the people that actually get nominated, strategic drawing of maps, culling voters from registrations, states leaving ERIC, and more, but those problems benefit a 2 party system and refusing to participate in that does not benefit your cause. What voting a 3rd party does do is get them closer to the 5% cutoff for access to federal Presidential Election Campaign Funds in their next election and signal a vehement opposition to some policy. However, that signal is easily ignored with such a low turnout.
So how do you get a third party presidential candidate to win? By actually building a 3rd party first. Run candidates in local elections, get them on school boards and mayorships. Start locally, build a following and work up to state. Start winning an appreciable percent of state legislature seats and move on to congressional seats. Once the American people are familiar with you as a "party" who actually is involved politically and demands a significant amount of real-estate on the hill and in their states and not simply as a "fringe party" taking a crap shot at power they will start to view your party as actually having a chance to win the presidency, they might actually vote for you in no small part, and you eventually can work your way to an actual victory.
Vote for who you want. If it's not one of the main candidates that may be ideological and even admirable, but right now it's ineffective. I'll be voting to reduce the chances of Trump winning office, because I actually want my vote to matter in future elections.