2y ago

Recommendation to defederate from exploding-heads

That entire instance is infested with a massive amount of right-wing hate, transphobia, homophobia, and ugly political vitriol under the guise of "allowing free speech", rising to the same level or worse than lemmygrad (which we have already defederated from for obvious reasons). Please get this garbage off of the "all" page given that the entire instance actively breaks the rules of lemmy.one and is only providing them with a larger platform. I think a few trolls may have already spilled over.

just take a 20 second scroll through this mess or any of the other communities there: https://lemmy.one/c/dankmemes@exploding-heads.com

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I'm not on your instance, so I don't get a ton of say, but I would just recommend that part of the Alt-Right's playbook is getting seen by as many eyes as possible. exploding-heads is trying to find ways to game the federation system and the algorithm to determine "hot" to platform their hate and pipeline people who don't recognize the dog whistles to their side. Whether you mind or don't mind seeing the content or can or cannot block the communities and users from over there is immaterial to exploding-heads's strategy. The point is to get seen that first time.
Further, whether you agree with the above, please consider this: telling vulnerable groups to do their own moderation on an individual level is an inherently privileged stance. Part of the alt-right's strategy is cyber-bullying. I'm going to focus on the cyber-bullying in this section of this discussion, just under the assumption that people disagree with my stance that exploding-heads is trying to promote a particular political agenda. Whether you agree or disagree on that point is immaterial. There is no denying that exploding-heads users engage in a pattern of cyber-bullying against minority groups. The aim in that case is to cause mental harm to those minority groups. If there's a pattern, why not address the root cause? That root cause being that exploding-heads is not moderated or administrated to the standards other instances in the federation expect, or even to the standards laid out in their sidebar rules.
Users of the fediverse join the instances they do with particular understandings of the rules and moderation styles that administrators provide to their users in their sidebar and any documents linked from there before signing up. Here are some selected rules from lemmy.one that exploding-heads users break regularly:
No racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia, or casteism
No incitement of violence or promotion of violent ideologies
No harassment, dogpiling or doxxing of other users
Do not share intentionally false or misleading information
So, please. To the administrators of lemmy.one, consider these points when you make your decision. Let your own users' voices stand out more. But if you're a lemmy.one user, please take all of this into consideration as you make your recommendation
- Exploding-heads was here years before any of you or the instances you're on. They were happily sitting there posting and discussing daily about the things that interest them. You might disagree with what they're talking about, but don't act like they're only doing it to spite you.
  You redditors came into a space that existed for years before you ever even heard of it, act like you invented it, then act all outraged that there were already people here and their existence is a giant conspiracy theory meant to spite you personally.
  You want to defederate from them? Go ahead. That's the right and power of each instance to choose who to associate with. But quit it with the narcissistic conspiracy theories. A lot of people were chased off of big tech before you, they didn't just stop existing -- they ended up somewhere and often that was the fediverse.
  
  narcissistic conspiracy theories? tf you smokin bro?
  I just said they're a hate ridden cesspool, no conspiracies, it's just an ugly mess that needs to be contained. No shit they never stopped existing, but they need to be slapped down everywhere they're seen. Let them keep fleeing and being chased away, they deserve no platform.
  
  To be fair... yes* they did post before the reddit exodus happened*
  EDIT: Defederation needs to be due to the accused violationg a bight line rule of making a reasonable effort to prevent hate or intolerance and not by any culture war bs
  I believe We have crossed that threshold here
  However, that doesnt take away anyones right to defederate. If we dont want to federate with the group that encourages people to have PFPs that are
  
  We dont have to,
  no matter how much I would love to see them in the corner doing their own thing, their right to swing their arms ends when it hits a trans persons face. and being on the home page is militarally useful.
  
  Nah it's just we don't like racists and fascists. It's not complicated.
  
  You're reading a lot into what I'm saying stuff that I'm not saying
  
  Preach Brother
- I appreciate this. ✊
If a web platform is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant will be destroyed by the intolerant.
In order to maintain a tolerant Lemmyverse, then we must all retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance.
Exploding-heads is an intolerant site not just overrun with, but run BY biggots. You have to cut them out like a cancer before all of Lemmy becomes a site like Voat or Truth Social.
lemmy.world already defederated them, and gave explanation here: https://lemmy.world/post/747912
- I think this post is for lemmy.one
  
  Yes, I posted this to give info about another instance's decision and especially their reasoning for doing so, since it seemed applicable here.
Agree, that place is a cess pit of absolute trash
I suggest not. All the offensive stuff is in dank memes, dank taco and maybe the Donald. I suggest people block those communities
- And yet you suggested the same for lemmygrad? Practice what you preach.
  As for my instance, both are already blocked lol
In mastodon you can mute an entire instance without having the main instance do it for you. I wonder if theres a plan to add this to lemmy.
- No it's not you can only block communities as a user but not whole instances.
- That will be a great
Those people are sociopaths
Just block it, or go to Threads if you enjoy a sterile environment
- That's such a simple view of how it goes. The bigoted user's go over to communities I run and harass my members.
  In the same way they harass members of non-exploding heads communities. They can go be bigoted in their bubble but I do not want them here.
  I am glad Lemmy.Worlds defederated from them. Good riddance.
Lol that dank memes page is pretty funny.
To quash your worry, when you keep banning things, those people crave it more. Otherwise people will just get bored of the jokes if they're only making trans jokes, then it'll not be upvoted.
Let the system work, and use the block feature if you don't like it.
- when you keep banning things, those people crave it more.
  Your lawyer called; he said you should stop posting your defense strategy for your upcoming CP trial to Lemmy.
- Alright I don't actually have a clue how this Fediverse works. There's one guy who is so obsessed with trans that his name is "I hate trans", posting weird political stuff.
  But I don't know if that was to dank memes or what.
  I might not be for banning jokes, but I support banning idiots. Anyone that obsessed is just going to generate 0 interesting content.
  
  That is the point of my OP.
  Exploding-heads actively welcomes people of that level of idiocy, and from the little I can see, the majority of that instance's users are that way. We cannot actively block every single one of their users from here because they will simply keep coming on new accounts unless you just cut off the source.
Just block it, or go to Threads if you enjoy a sterile environment
- A site without bigots isn't sterile
- All the downvotes to this comment are ridiculous. Everyone on this site has the ability to block any instance they want. Want "X" instance off your front page? Guess what, you can do that with the click of a button.
  
  You can't block whole instances
  
  That's not a feature. If you want to block an entire instance, you have to appeal to an admin to defederate, or you have to run your own instance and add them to your blacklist
- I don’t understand why you were downvoted. Lemmy gives us all the tools we need to block communities and users we don’t want to see. Is that not good enough? Do they want to control the experience for everyone else as well? Bunch of authoritarians in here.
  
  Lemmy also gives you the possibility to set up your own instance and choose your own rules and who you federate with..
  
  Yes of course they do. That's what they want
  
  Exactly this. People have the tools and abilities to block these communities and domains if they don't want to see that content. Pulling out the de-federation ban-hammer whenever you personally aren't keen on the content isn't a reasonable solution.
Yeah, the rest of the instance is a cesspool as well. Dank memes isn’t the worst of it.
Make them defederate from you. Just galvanize a group of volunteers to mirror everything they post from your own instance, but edit “left” to “right”, “black” to “white”, “Biden” to “trump”, “liberal” to “conservative”, “trans” to “cis”, “gay” to “straight”, and let them decide how “free” they like their speech.
- Hate speech with different targets is still hate speech. You're only going to further convince them that they are right to be hateful.
  
  Very true. Thanks for pointing that out.
Those memes are hilarious. Glad I joined them. Now you can assume who I am that makes such a comment and ostracize me for it.
- Yeah, I normally ostracize people who think denigrating minorities to subhuman status makes a "funny" meme. So edgy. Haha. Hilarious. Bye!
  
  Don't commit the crime if you don't want to be judged for it.
Imagine if people just blocked communities or people they didn’t like; seems like the logical solution. I personally enjoy content here and I’m sure both our users check out various communities in both instances. If you guys say opened an anti christianity community or a pro communism community (which would be communities many liberals might like) i would personally block it because i don’t want to see those Things. Our policy is we allow offensive material and if people don’t like it, it is on the user to block the person or community that they don’t want to see. We don’t ban accounts, unless it breaks United States law or violates the patriot act. If anyone needs help blocking a community or a person, please send me a direct message and I will assist you.
Sincerely; Sir Wiggle Hard
- Honestly; running your community that way violates the Lemmy Code of Conduct, which a large number of instances choose to adhere to, as well as the more general template version; the Citizen Code of Conduct.
  Therefore you can expect many, many instances to quickly defederate you if you do not take steps to ensure your communities do not spill over or propagate hateful content. I think this instance is not quite as itchy on the defederation button; but even I would support your instance being defederated simply because you evidently choose not to moderate "anything offensive at all".
  It's only a matter of time before the trolls and edgelords you hope to attract to your community will test the limits and post truly illegal things.
  
  Code of conduct: imo rules carefully written so that some guy could have feel good points in his illustrious career of sjw field work
  Also….
  simply because you evidently choose not to moderate “anything offensive at all”.
  It’s only a matter of time before the trolls and edgelords you hope to attract to your community will test the limits and post truly illegal things.
  Not true, we dont allow spam posting of hate (example given guy posts nszi flag five times, guy posts whitey is devil five times) pedophile crap, calls for violence and any breaking usa law or violations of the patriot act
  In a wirld where what is acceptable speech changes at the speed of light, don’t be shocked when your account Gets banned cz bar of what makes ppl butt hurt gets raised.
  Also…
  As i said before, we have several communities, only two perhaps three hold offensive material, easy to block however rage addicts and political ideologues on alt accounts go around giving sjw speeches on what to defederate from, it’s pathetic and quite frankly all of you would benefit from thicker skin, life is going to kick the living shit out of you

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