Ooof, what a shitty dad. Straight from Musk's daughter

She is killing it. He made a huge fucking mistake lying about her on video to the world. She just wanted to be left alone and go to college. Now she's out to expose him.

And he really should have known better. This is a woman who, without any need to do so, put it on the court record that she disowned him at a formality hearing to register a name change a couple of years ago. No one asked her, no one expected her to say it, she just wanted a legal record of her disowning one of the richest men in the world when she could have just waited for him to die and see if she inherited anything.

Check out her interview. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender-daughter-vivian-wilson-interview-rcna163665

Before that, I could only imagine what sort of horrible father he was to prompt her to do that. Now I know exactly what sort of horrible father he was.

“I lost my son, essentially,” Musk said. He used Wilson’s birth name, also known as a deadname for transgender people, and said she was “dead, killed by the woke mind virus.”
i don't have kids but i can't even comprehend someone saying something like that about their own child
- That's nothing compared to what she's said he's said to her directly. No exact quotes, but she made it pretty clear that he was constantly saying homophobic things to her. And that was before she transitioned and he just thought she was gay.
- This is sadly a pretty common thing for trans people.
- I'm no psychologist or sociologist, but it seems that most of the people who treat their kids this way had kids because of external expectations or for status. They treat their kids like property or as an extension of themselves. Raising them to be cis no matter what is not about their child's well-being, it's about how having a trans child makes them look in the eyes of their bigoted, greedy, status-seeking, peers. When their kids come out as trans, they see this as a personal attack on their place in the pecking order.
  In general, they treat even their cis children like shit, because they don't think of their children as people, children are just assets in what they think is some kind of cosmic dick measuring contest.
  It's incomprehensible because it's pathological and generally sick.
- He’s just building up his conservative cred.
  Harden the mind against silly weak things like compassion: check
  Treat your family like property: check
  “Woke mind virus”: lol
- Luckily, you sound like you consider kids to be their own individuals and not little copies of yourself for you to control like puppets.
  Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for every parent.
- Robert Evan’s (AKA Podcast Daddy) had a piece about this. His denial of his daughter’s transition is of a piece with his pro-natalist stance and his desire to colonize space. He is trying to become immortal. His child transitioning marks her as her own person, rather than an extension of him, which reinforces the fact that he will die one day.
- I can't imagine saying stuff like this about someone else's kids, let alone my own. I have a non-binary kid, who I love with all my heart. The only thing my wife and I want them to be is happy. I get that having your kid tell you that they're the wrong gender is hard to deal with - I don't want to minimize that - but it's not like it's harder than what the kids themselves are dealing with.
I really love that she keeps owning him on threads, too. It's just that extra little twist of the knife. She's proof that we don't have to suck just because our families do.
What’s the situation you’re referring to about him lying about her on video? I know he’s said a lot of shitty stuff about her but I’m not aware of the context of that sentence
- https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2024/07/22/elon-musk-jordan-peterson-interview/74506785007/

One thing I noticed, and you can check this for yourself too, is that American media outlets constantly refer to her as 'Elon Musks transgender daughter', and it really bothers me it's not just 'Elon Musks Daughter.'

So I checked, and the BBC, CTV News (canadian), CBC (also canadian) all just refer to her as his daughter.

I absolutely love that she's bringing the lumber, but I could really do with news organizations not using that as her identifier. She's not 'Elon Musk's transgender daughter.' She's Vivian Jenna Wilson, she doesn't even consider Elon her father. I'll let her speak for herself here:

(From her name change):

“I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form,” she wrote on the petition.

“I would like to emphasize one thing: I am an adult,” she said, according to NBC. “I am 20 years old. I am not a child. My life should be defined by my own choices.”

I hate to say it, but until trans people are normalized in American society, pointing out that his daughter is trans is probably necessary for people to understand why Elon says he lost his son.
- You’re not wrong, but I think we all really wish you were.
  Sad thing is, clarifying Elon’s hatred by pointing his daughter is trans, gives credence to his take in some folks’ eyes.
  The conversation maybe ugly, but it still has to be had.
- Is it though? It just legitimizes it as a reason to separate her from other women. Until I see "So-and-So's cis-gendered hetero daughter" I think we can agree it's singling them out, not highlighting something in good faith. For example, and this is the BBC's:
  Elon Musk: Billionaire's daughter cuts ties with her father | BBC
  She's a woman, who from what I can see is emancipated from her father. He's a sack of shit, she's voicing that. That's the story.
I suspect that it's more for "engagement" and clickbait than malice from the headline writer.
that is if you don't think that this kind of communication isn't harmful to the human race at least. Which it is. Obviously.
- I agree it's not to intentionally target her maliciously, but it is malicious: how does the story change if you just say 'daughter'? If she was a Catholic convert would it be 'Elon Musks Transgender Catholic Daughter'? I understand part of his hatred towards her is that she's transgendered, but we don't have to allow that. And as I said, other news agencies aren't (all) doing that.
I do by best to try to refer to her as his ex daughter. Maybe it’s just my own relationship with my own disowning but it’s definitely a valuable distinction imo
- That's a great point, she does even say she doesn't want any association with him.
I resonate with your sentiment and applaud you bringing it up, but in this case I feel it's pretty relevant to the story. It's the trans aspect that caused Musk to say a bunch of shitty stuff about her to begin with. If the story was about her winning the lottery or something else unrelated, I'd be 100% with you.
- My point is their legitimizing his reasoning. They're saying this is the reason he did it. Let him say that. Never let him try to shy away from it, make it so if he's going to misgender/deadname/etc he's openly doing it.
  Think about it, the story title should go:
  "Elon Musks daughter speaks out about her fathers homophobia, bigotry, etc"
  Let him try to legitimize it and fail, don't give him the step up first. Make him look like the lunatic he is for raving about his 'dead son' or whatever, let him hang himself with his own rope. She even says:
  “I would like to emphasize one thing: I am an adult,” she said, according to NBC. “I am 20 years old. I am not a child. My life should be defined by my own choices.”
  She had no choice in this at all, she is who she is, so we need to stop helping make a minor part of her identity her identifying characteristic.

14 words breeder shit

For those who don't get the reference, she's calling him a literal NAZI.

Thank you! I came here to say this.
Wikipedia Fourteen Words
- Wow, what a load of crap. I wonder if Musk really talked about that stuff, which would be taking his shittiness to the next level.
Oh. Those 14 words. I thought there was another set of words specifically against child free people.
I appreciate you remembering not everyone is tuned into this stuff to the same degree. I just immediately thought “oh, he’s a nazi? That scans” when I saw the 14 words reference.

You know what, I think Elon's kid is gonna turn out alright.

The interview she gave with NBC says she's a college student studying languages, so if nothing else, she could have a good life as a translator. And you don't generally study languages plural in college if you're not very smart.
I think Elon’s kid is gonna turn out alright.
I'd say she already did.
- Yea, I mean she is 20 years old and has her shit together more than many of my friends who are at least a decade older. She's definitely alright.
She's Elon's kid, and she had to suffer through being trans in a society that doesn't broadly accept it (and at least one parent who doesn't), so she's got a lot going against her, but she sure seems to speak out with self confidence, so I hope she's one of those who was able to just grow from the hardships.
- iirc her mom (who she actually lives with) is supportive

Don't forget who you were Elon. Trying to erase an image, almost like you no longer feel like that person anymore (or maybe never did)

The time Elon tried cosplaying Edward Scissorhands
D'Elon the Musketeer

Sometimes I doubt my skills as a father. Then I read shit like this and realize I’m doing alright.

I tell a lot of new parents that kids are amazingly resilient, so when you inevitably make mistakes, they'll likely be fine. On the other hand, they're amazingly sensitive and perceptive, so no matter how good of a job you do, you'll probably leave then with at least minor issues. I mean, if someone you know has zero emotional issues, it probably means you don't know them that well.
Same. As with so many things in life, giving a shit and showing up get you like 80% of the way there.

language of the enemy

what have we done to him? I hate him even more than I did before reading this.

Edit: I didn't expect my comment to track. I may as well take this opportunity to post a Chrisitan Arab's perspective on Arabic

Consider a language spoken by Christians for more than fifteen hundred years. Its early masters composed exquisite poetry, pioneering a tradition that still flourishes today. Many of the great works of Christian thought were composed in this language; many of the most significant texts of philosophy, medicine, and astronomy were preserved in it. The Bible could be read in it for centuries before it could be read in English, French, German, or Spanish. Today it is spoken and written across Europe and North America, as well as Asia and Africa; it features prominently in modern political thought and advocacy. I am speaking, of course, of Arabic.

https://www.firstthings.com/article/2024/08/arabic-a-christian-language

Exist? That alone is enough for weirdos like Musk to want POC dead.
I think it's the most beautiful and elegant looking writing system, as someone who can neither read nor speak it.
- Thank you. This comment got me to start !arabiccalligraphy.
Many westerners still blame everything and everyone Arab for 9/11.
- It is also true that "many" Westerners are more enlightened than that, but the ones that aren't always shout the loudest.

The reason why he hasn't sued her for libel is because he knows her lawyers would mop the floor with him with the disclosure.

One of the core values of conservatism is removing regulations and protections for regular people against corporations, and giving them more power. That's what Elon believes in. The rest of it, like the "family values" and "religious rights" are just a smoke screen for the voters.

One of the core values of ~~conservatism~~ capitalism
FTFY ;) But yeah I think you're onto something. There is, I suspect, a kind of self delusion. He really only pursues power and ideology is merely a tool he uses. He's feeling the pressure economically because he likes the role of the captain of industry but he's starting to fuck up more and more with Tesla and SpaceX. So is growing extremism in the recent years isn't part of a rational thought or honest ideology but a narcissistic rationalization. He wants to continue being powerful and accumulating more power so he has to counter by embracing the more extreme ideology. But he doesn't really give a fuck about family, economy, society or anything.
If he only kept his mouth shut about politics and continued with his ideas I'd be fine with him being a flawed and scummy entrepreneur that still manages to move and change our global industry. Even if he steals the accomplishments of others and lies and over-promises he acts as an effective mouthpiece for ideas I like. He would have had a flawed legacy.
But instead he became this monstrosity.
- Conservatism predates capitalism by quite a bit. Capitalism may have embraced conservatism, but it didn't create it

When I grow up I want to be badass like her.

Why wait? I am sure she'd appreciate being an inspiration to another.

haha what a badass

TIL This Vivian girl is based af

and imagine achieving this with Elon as your parent, it is like starting a race of becoming a sensible person with a -10 penalty
- In all fairness, Musk was not much of an influence on her.

Fuck yay! Go girl!

Social network and big data, Cambridge Analytica never died, it prospered like a hydra who only got one of its heads cut off. People who only went online to affirm their beliefs are now getting herded into like minded crazies and airheads that serve their purpose as subgroups of artificial movements. And nothing is going to be done about it because astrosurfing is a cornerstone of capitalism, apparently.