Something everyone agrees with until you name it
Something everyone agrees with until you name it
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Pervasive cradle-to-grave anti-communist indoctrination programming, affecting nearly every western institution from media, education, law, political structures, etc.
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Propaganda is a powerful drug
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Lots of people promote eugenics until you point out that they're promoting eugenics.
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Thanks for providing an example of an opposite.
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Do they? Pretty sure lots of people would reject an idea like "maybe we should just kill disabled people" whatever you call it.
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Socialism and communism would also have been accepted.
I usually hate your biased posts, but this is fire.
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Complaining about 'bias' in every day situations like a totally normal well adjusted person
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Honestly it's always so weird to hear complaints of bias. The languages you speak, cultures you engage with, class you were born into, and so many other factors will give you a natural bias that you can't avoid. I am naturally biased to find eating bugs, repulsive but the massive water bugs (lobsters) are classy.
There is no such thing as unbiased and the closest we get is though science.
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Honestly many ideas behind it are well meant but the whole bourgeoisie and proletariat thing isn't as black and white. Also the economic adaptation of companies and supply chains to what is needed doesn't really work properly in marxism. I like many social aspects but in a state where everyone owns everything there is no personal incentive to innovate. The economy just doesn't run as smooth and adjusted to the individual. There are many good ideas, good intentions but in the end it works better as a theory. Especially since personal needs often go unaddressed and the personal wish for wealth doesn't just disappear
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I urge you to actually learn about Marxism, because your claims are demonstrably false. Things like supply chains work just fine, and in many cases far better than they do under capitalism and markets.
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You do realize you're just parroting ideas that were put in your head as a child right?
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Genuinely, though. You describe democratic worker councils, large public programs, criticize Capitalism, even point out Imperialism, and everyone agrees with you and what you want, as long as you don't call yourself a Marxist.
I see this a ton on Lemmy, if I describe what I want and how I want to get there, very few people openly disagree unless I add that this is Marxism. So, I've stopped trying to hide that these ideas are Marxist and instead focus on correcting misconceptions about Marxism, like thinking Communism would have no government because Marx used the word "stateless" when describing it, not realizing he meant things like Private Property Rights and other statist means of upholding Capitalism. Marx wasn't an Anarchist nor did he want Anarchism.
Indeed, as soon as you mention Marxism then the whole conversation becomes about that. Simply discussing the concepts with people without using trigger words tends to be a lot more productive. Ultimately, it doesn't matter what people want to call it, as long as they can understand what course of action is desirable.
I do think it's useful to dispel the veil, though. People simply agreeing with concepts doesn't mean they will pursue action, it's important that people actually understand Marxism, at least in my opinion. Agitprop is good.
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People conflate Marxism with extreme left beliefs, most people don't even actually know what Marxism is
I mean, Marxism is extreme left belief.
Would you care to elaborate on what aspects of these beliefs you find to be extreme. Is it the idea that workers should own the fruits of their labor, or perhaps the idea that the purpose of work should be for common benefit?
The problem is, Marxism was created over 100 years ago. I bet Karl Marx wouldn't agree to his own theorem for the world we live actually. It needs upgrades, and an other name and shouldn't be set in comparison with the systems which tried to be marxism / communism.
Smaller steps would be a good start, why not take a closer look at Portugal? A left government recreate the whole state in just a few years and save the country from being bankrupt. This wasn't Marxism, but it was a left wing party with really good ideas.
You haven't seriously engaged with Marx if you think the stuff he wrote isn't still relevant.
Not meant as a diss, but please actually engage with his body of work before making this criticism.
Describe "Marx's theorem" without paraphrasing wikipedia. This is nonsensical and as an adult you're supposed to read about the things you choose to talk about. Linnaeus lived three centuries ago, but would you throw out taxonomy? Is the scientific method outdated because Francis Bacon wouldn't know a thing about modern science? People build on the epistomological and ontological frameworks to make a living tradition.
On what grounds do you think he wouldn't agree? Marxists since Marx have expanded on his ideas, like analysis of Imperialism, but Marxism is stronger than ever and consistently proved correct.
I don't see what this has to do with Marxism.
Marxism is a living, constantly evolving science, so it very much adapts with the times.
It's best to think of Marx and Engels as the Newton of political science and sociology... did they get everything right, and should we treat their words as gospel? Of course not, but their central tenets and ideas stand, and they built a solid foundation for others to build on.
We can recommend a lot of works on how marxism has evolved as a science, and how modern marxists view class struggle in the 21st century.
yeah thats why we read the works of other theorists that have lived since him and have taken his ideas an updated them and applied them to new circumstances at every moment since he wrote his books, for fucks sakes most communist dont even call themselves Marxists most of us call ourselves Marxists Leninist. Also if u actually read anything Marks wrote u would realize that while specifics are almost all outdated the ideas themselves and methods of analyzing and understanding things hold up just fine.
What in Marxism do you think needs upgrades?