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Buffalo Shooting Survivors Sue Social Media & Gun Companies

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Buffalo Shooting Survivors Sue Social Media & Gun Companies::Survivors and a family member of a victim of the mass shooting at Tops supermarket in Buffalo, New York are suing social media platforms, gun companies, and the shooter's parents.

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I'm okay with that.
Car companies only implemented safety features after lawsuits came. Safety rose and fatalities dropped.
- Are you suggesting this was caused by an accident due to insufficient safety devices?
  
  This one? Not sure. Others? Definitely.
  There’s studies showing that the gun industry doesn’t evolve like other markets due to laws giving them immunity. Normally the industry would add safety features like built in trigger locks ( fingerprint sensors or NFC ring that’s required to fire) but without the motivation they’re not adding them.
It seems kinda nuts. But if everyone sued everyone every time there was a mass shooting, things might actually start happening to minimize their frequency.
Or judges will just start throwing out the cases.
Probably that.
- the only thing to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a lawsuit
- It’s the people vs the shooter. And let’s be honest, eventually the people of the USA is at least as guilty of this and all the other crimes like this as the actual shooter.
  
  Yah. I can agree with that. If the shooter had their own licensed gun, the survivors could (should) sue the state government for giving the guy a gun licence.
According to the lawsuits, YouTube and Reddit “transformed and addicted” Gendron and prepared him for the attack on Tops market.
I'd like to see what they're actually claiming.
- I dunno about reddit but it's no secret that YouTube will push you down a rabbit hole with their algorithm. Watch one video popular with right wing people and suddenly everything is about "Jewish space lasers" and "antifa coming to murder you"
- They're claiming "I went through a tragedy and want money, give me a settlement out of court quickly." Anyone that thinks this will go to court and win is a nut.
I strongly suspect that the suit against the gun companies will be thrown out. They complied with the laws, and the guns functioned as firearms are intended to function. The PLCAA was written precisely to prevent this kind of bad-faith lawsuit, where a company is being held responsible for the illegal used of their product. Imagine how batshit crazy it would be if you sued a Ford dealership for selling a car to someone that had a secret drinking problem, and that person then drove drunk and killed a bus full of schoolkids. What magic divination is the gun store supposed to use to figure out that a person is a mass-murder-to-be, and how do you ensure that no people that aren't going to be mass murderers aren't being denied their constitutional rights? Now, if the shooter was buying guns and armor, and told people, hey, what gun is going to be best for killing people in a supermarket?, then yeah, they have a case for negligence. But I've got an AR-15, and I'm working on saving up for body armor, because I need both for the kind of shooting competitions I'm interested in. Given how many AR-15s there are--over 24M in civilian hands, or about 1 for every 13 people--and given how many people own some form of body armor, compared to the number of these random, mass-murder events there are, neither purchase would normally raise any suspicion.
The case against the social media companies will be a challenge, because that's going to largely be covered by 1A issues, unless they can point to issues that amount to incitement.
Parents are a stretch as well. They'd likely have to have some kind of finding of gross negligence in order to hold them responsible.
If you really, truly, deeply care about preventing this kind of tragedy, then you need to start addressing root causes of this. The FBI published a report a year or two back about profiling this type of murderer, and it turns out that it's really hard because they're so very rare.
I really hate these kind of lawsuits, while yes what happened fucking sucks I feel like this always leads to repeal section 230 bullshit. I feel like we need to realize that having all eggs in one basket for social media is bad and decentralization is better. Secondly if section 230 was repealed the extremism excuse could be used to shut down anarchist mastodon instances
Start suing for this and see mental health screenings pop up everywhere. Especially if you're suing gun shops directly. But the social media part means that us lemmings need to keep an eye on our platform for things like this. Least we garner the gaze of The Eye. If this becomes a precedent that is.
- Holy word salad Batman.

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