Nato official suggests Ukraine could give up land in exchange for membership
Nato official apologises over suggestion Ukraine could give up land for membership
cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1335364
Oh hey, we're back to where it all begun. Only took a couple million displaced.
But the war must be continued at all costs so that Ukraine's territorial integrity isn't violated
Interesting how tankies keep saying that the west is forcing Ukraine to keep fighting. But when NATO suggests they give some land to Russia to stop the war, the Ukrainians get offended and want to keep fighting. 🤔
Ukrainians get offended and want to keep fighting
'Ukrainians' are not a monolith. The Ukrainian government doesn't necessarily reflect opinions of the Ukrainian people (especially if you compare between regions within Ukraine).
west is forcing Ukraine to keep fighting
If NATO wants to stop the war, then why does it keep supplying Ukraine with weapons? Don't you think that indicates they want the war to go on indefinitely (and help out U.S. military industrial complex)?
Interesting how dronies keep saying that the east is forcing Donbas to keep fighting. But when Russia suggests they give some land to Ukraine to stop the war, Donbas gets offended and want to keep fighting.
That NATO official already has retracted and apologized for that statement. Fuck putin and fuck russia. They aren't going to get a thing except the contempt of the world.
That NATO official has apologised about the form and lack of context, then restated that territorial concessions are likely:
But Jenssen did not walk back the idea that a land-for-Nato-membership deal could ultimately be on the table. If there were serious peace negotiations then the military situation at the time, including who controls what territory, “will necessarily have a decisive influence,” the chief of staff said.
Ukraine is getting neither land nor NATO membership.
But someone else might get land, silly tankie
i'd say lol if these fash cappie shitholes hadn't already ground hundreds of thousands of their working class into bloodmist
Technically, Russia is violating international law by the same amount they did at the start, so it's fine to negotiate with the territory they took 😶🌫️
I have been wondering how this will play out
I say lol because I read the RAND corporation paper on this last year 🫵
Seriously, the comments were retracted and it's on the same page as this post. Please check the page you're contributing to before posting.
As far as I can tell, Stian Jenssen apologised about the way the comment had been made and interpreted, but not about the substance. Specifically:
A day later, he gave an interview to the same newspaper, VG, that had reported on his original comments. “My statement about this was part of a larger discussion about possible future scenarios in Ukraine, and I shouldn’t have said it that way. It was a mistake,” he said. But Jenssen did not walk back the idea that a land-for-Nato-membership deal could ultimately be on the table. If there were serious peace negotiations then the military situation at the time, including who controls what territory, “will necessarily have a decisive influence,” the chief of staff said.
So clearly at least some people in NATO consider that a peace deal may entail territorial concessions. Which like it or not is a realistic position to take.
This is genuinely very disheartening. A lot of people have died and more will continue to die, but NATO can’t even talk openly about how the conflict might be ended. They really do want Ukraine to be the next Afghanistan in the forever war.
Is NATO meant to tell Ukraine how to handle peace deals? It seems to me like the war is carrying on because Ukraine is quite understandably unwilling to have another chunk hacked out of it by Russia
The weirdest part here is the idea that Ukraine could ever become a part of NATO in the first place.
Is every single person in the Zelensky regime so utterly incompetent that they genuinely believed that would actually happen while they were in a civil war between 2014 and 2022, not to mention now when they are in an all out war with a literal nuclear power? I very much doubt that.
Something doesn't add up here.
It is a weird way to backdoor discussion of ceding territory into it imo
Come on mate the answer to that is in literally the first sentence of the article.
"...[Jenssen] said publicly that Ukraine could give up territory to Russia in exchange for Nato membership and an end to the war."
If it's part of a peace deal to end the war, they're not at war any more when Ukraine joins NATO.
That official backed off from that idea real quick.
Just about the way of expressing it, the idea is still on.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Stian Jenssen, the chief of staff to the Nato secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg, told a Norwegian newspaper that he should not have spoken as simplistically as he did, after his initial comments prompted an angry reaction from Kyiv.
At a panel event in Norway on Tuesday, Jenssen had said that while any peace deal reached would have to be acceptable to Ukraine, alliance members were discussing how the 18-month war might be brought to an end.
“Precisely for this reason, it is crucially important that we support the Ukrainians with what they need,” the official continued as he sought to emphasise that Nato members remained behind Ukraine.
Ukraine has consistently called for a restoration of its internationally recognised pre-2014 borders and is engaged in a counteroffensive in an attempt to recapture large parts of its territory seized by Russia.
That means deliberately choosing the defeat of democracy, encouraging a global criminal, preserving the Russian regime, destroying international law and passing the war on to other generations.”
Although Kyiv has received donations of western tanks and long-range rockets and artillery, its forces have so far made only limited territorial gains against heavily defended Russia positions.
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This is such old news. This is the downfall of the fediverse… very old posts from days ago making its way here. This was retracted and said as a mistake over 24 hours ago and this still got posted here? Reddit will continue to win with this low effort stuff.
This is such old news
It’s from August 16
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oh…
this happened on reddit all the time. only those posts usually die in "new".
Giving up land to Russia = bad
Giving up land to corporate interests = good
Privatizing children's hospitals = VERY good ☝️