Tesla owners are expressing buyer’s remorse - if not by selling their Teslas, then at least with an apologetic bumper sticker.
Elon Musk Is Finally Cracking Tesla’s Invincibility Shield
Electric cars are still cars, and therefore do fuck-all to fix the real problem of excessive use of land for parking lots, low-density zoning, and lack of walkability.
The only way to have communities that are healthy and sustainable (ecologically, financially, or otherwise) is to fix the zoning code so that folks don't need to drive in the first place.
Or just reduce the need to drive, for example by encouraging remote work.
Oh man when almost everything was remote my commute was so nice. 12 miles in 15 - 17 minutes instead of almost double that everyday.
Unfortunately I operate a forklift so I have to be there in person but damn was it super nice.
Currently I'm trying to encourage and raise support for more bike infrastructure locally so it's an actually viable option intead of it's currently not so viable state.
Convert all the empty offices to apartments. Solves housing supply problems, makes a lot of dense units instead of sprawl, puts them right next to any of the offices that have reopened, and would make the owners of the office buildings happy so they'd hopefully get out of the way of WFH (if they're doing any lobbying or propaganda or whatnot).
I know it's too expensive to be worth it, but it's a perfect thing for governments to give grants for since it has so many benefits.
It's happening a bit in Canada.
Projects are undervway in Calgary and Halifax; others are being planned or debated in Toronto, London, Ont., and Yellowknife.
From here
That doesn't fix any of the problems mentioned.
Establishing maximums on parking lot sizes to be drastically less than the building's capacity would help
Maximums aren't necessarily the problem, since developers are incentivized by market forces not to build more parking than necessary.
The problem is parking minimums, which are based on numbers pulled out of somebody's ass 80 years ago and (to the extent they correlated with anything at all) tend to be closer to the maximum that could ever conceivably be needed (think "Black Friday at a shopping center") more than anything else!
I remember when Teslas used to be cool.
Now I see them all the time, and they might as well swap the badge for one that says “cunt”, it would be less embarrassing.
Buy a Tesla because you're trying to help the environment and it was regarded as the best EV at the time
Tesla starts making their products shittier
Tesla lied about range
Tesla CEO loses his mind, buys a social media company, drives it into the ground
Someone on the internet says you're a cunt because you own a Tesla
Tesla drivers were the new BMW douchebags on the road well before he bought Twitter. I got buzzed by in a parking lot the other day by someone doing at least 30, so close it felt like a huge gust of wind. Turned to see a teslas within a foot of me. Jackass drivers in near silent cars in parking lots are a great combo. If the sensors and self driving worked for shit it would of never let them get that close to me.
Same, and also, when I was a teenager, I begrudgingly admit that I thought Elon Musk was cool.
Now if I am to get conspiratorial, Rupert Murdoch is trying to groom Musk into being the replacement for the Koch Brothers. Boomers love the Koch Brothers to the point of living vicariously through them, and Musk will be the same for millennials and zoomers to have their "le funny billionaire epic troll."
Man people in here like you legitimately sound crazy. Buying one of the best EVs makes someone a cunt? I hate Elon musk just as much as anyone but he didn't create Tesla, engineer any of them, or build any of them... Y'all are too negative.
I remember a time when the Prius was head turning. It was the first “real” car to be a hybrid. That was interesting.
I would say that the Prius was never cool though.
All those "Nice Prius" bumper stickers were pretty funny though.
The mpg of those things is no joke
I got upgraded to one when I rented a car a few years ago, it was actually really nice. Although I'm someone who is used to driving clunkers (the local AAA tow truck drivers all knew my family, lol) and the engine shutting off at the light always freaked me out.
I saw a nice looking sedan roll past me one evening and when I saw it was a new Prius I knew I was officially getting old.
Extra frustrating because even though Musk is associated wholesale with Tesla, he is not actually a founder.
Yet another example of the rich running shit into the ground with poor decisions.
As much as I think musk is an asshole he did put his money where his mouth is in Tesla which notably almost went bankrupt twice. The reality is that Elon distaste matters orders of magnitude less to buyers than value. I mean people hate Walmart and yet they make a ton of money. Other manufacturers cannot make profitable cars at the price point Tesla is offering. Tesla is going to end up the largest car manufacturer in the world. On Twitter yeah he is running it into the ground arguably on purpose but on Tesla and space x he is doing pretty good. I don't understand what people taking this angle think the founder would have done better. The founder would have just gone bankrupt with Tesla or sold to someone else.
I would also add that people don't deal with Elon when buying a Tesla, but they do have to deal with shitty dealers when buying another brand.
Most people are just going to buy the car that is the best value with the least effort.
people don't deal with Elon when buying a Tesla, but they do have to deal with shitty dealers when buying another brand.
I'm not gonna defend the state of the dealership system, but from what I hear, getting Teslas fixed is awful in unique ways.
Tesla is going to end up the largest car manufacturer in the world.
They're the largest by stock price, but in EVs/year they were surpassed by a chinese company a couple years ago, and both traditional and new companies are closing the gap Tesla got from all the early capital that was dumped into them. They never came close if you include non-electric cars.
Other manufacturers cannot make profitable cars at the price point Tesla is offering.
There's tons of electric cars at the price point Tesla offers, with a fraction of the issues. One thing I did notice is other companies limit what they're willing to import into the US to avoid competing with more expensive models (eg, no company imports cheap electric convertibles or station wagon because they'd compete with higher-end electric cars and SUVs/pickups respectively), but I'm not aware of any market segment that doesn't have a competitive non-tesla equivalent.
Awhile ago, someone counted the number of local news stories of people getting immolated by their Teslas. It was more per car sold than the Ford Pinto.
Between:
I mean people hate Walmart and yet they make a ton of money.
The difference to Walmart is that there are alternatives, especially these days, to Tesla. Walmart on the other hand is known to push out smaller retailers in the town they settle into. The option for people can be really slim regardless if you like them or not.
From what i know tesla was first really profitable from cars (not investors) in 2020 and elon gave himself a bonus with like 50x value from all the profits (my source is the youtuber thunderf00t).
And if i heard it correctly tesla cars are overpriced compared to the competitors and none is on place one when it comes to the stats.
But to simply buy a tesla is as easy as simply buying the most advertised bs like nestle products.
And to the spaceX thing: they get their money mostly from having launch platforms and overpricing it there, the malket there only could be dominated because of investor money. (no source)
The satelite internet drains more money (with US GOV tax funds, no source) than it generates value outside of specific use cases. (partially thunderf00t)
Another thing (i dont know if it is true) that tesla and spacex are doing better since elon is occupied with twitter
But ultimately, according to the survey, most Tesla owners plan to buy a Tesla again.
Lol
I've seen a lot of that, including tweets from bazingas that show wacky shit like car doors falling off but then say "STILL LOVE THE CAR THOUGH!"
Yyyyyyyup. I was hoping to get away from reddit's hivemind of "Teslas are shit cars" but with Musk at the helm I don't think that's possible. Are they perfect? No. Are they awesome? IMO, yes.
Tesla's are shit cars though, and it has nothing to do with Musk. They have little to no driver feedback. The UX of their driver control systems are unresponsive and require the driver to take their eyes from the road. The idea of self-driving cars is a pipe dream that solves zero problems and simply aggravates existing individual transport problems.
Did they fix the fact you can't open the door from the inside if the power is out without an instruction manual and fingernails?
reddit's hivemind of "Teslas are shit cars"
Has
really changed that much since a year ago? It was a massive endless circlejerk for the Church of E-L-O-N back then, up to and including "ironic" pictures of their lord and savior presented as a saint in antiquity-style paintings.Are they awesome? IMO, yes.
https://carbuzz.com/news/tesla-admits-model-3-has-a-design-flaw
That is kind of the funny thing about autos. Like most manufacturers are terrible in many ways. Environment, political, the way they treat people or how shitty their quality control is. Planned obsolescence. There is still a fake "supply demand" issue that they have literally concocted to jack prices through the roof. Literally price gouging asking 15k over MRSP because they pretend they have a supply issue lol.
All the US majors are in on this scam and it's sad we don't have a government worth a fuck to fight it..
Elon is just mouthy about it lol. I couldn't even tell you who the CEO of GMC is. They are awful as well tho.
Awesome? I can’t even find the odometer without going through 50 different menus. And the brain genius wants to implement a yoke instead of a steering wheel. Dumbasses spending money on the dumbest products
Did you think they were agreeing with you bazinga boy? Lmao
Yeah; it’s very strange. The new online norm seems to be “don’t buy anything from a company if the primary person is a jerk.”
Meanwhile everyone online is buying stuff from jerks. They are just less vocal about it.
I REALLY don’t care to research every company I buy something from. Even if I know the primary person is a jerk, I still don’t care unless there is a near equal alternative.
@GarfieldYaoi @constvoid
When buying a car, you have a wide choice of shitty corporations to purchase from.
No one cares about the rich assholes who own other car companies, so why Tesla? For example Toyota were some of the biggest campaign donors to Trump.
Also what does this have to do with Fuck Cars? This is about the minutiae of car culture... We should be talking about trains and bicycles here.
No one cares about the rich assholes who own other car companies, so why Tesla? For example Toyota were some of the biggest campaign donors to Trump.
Because the others know to keep their mouths shut and not draw attention to themselves. Also F Toyota for being donors.
Also what does this have to do with Fuck Cars? This is about the minutiae of car culture... We should be talking about trains and bicycles here.
This I totally agree with though. I would perhaps also include cars in the capacity of how they hurt our cities for instance, but in this case it's not like the article said that the Tesla owners bought bikes instead.
Iirc many Tesla owners were/are left leaning and I'm guessing many of them bought a Tesla in a combination of tech enthusiasm and wanting avoiding fossil fuel. The same group of people are probably more positive to, for instance, 15 min cities. So it's likely that some members here own a Tesla.
@NotYourSocialWorker @stilgar Here is a list of the CEOs of Fortune 1000 companies who are not assholes:
https://www.npr.org/2022/02/11/1080073061/california-sues-tesla-racism-fremont
Because all car companies bad, no one should be allowed to call out especially bad things in car companies.
Wait. That Trump thing. You got a source? I'd love to learn more about it.
OK my claim was a bit overblown, but they're not exactly strangers to the far right https://www.huffpost.com/entry/toyota-backlash-gop-donations_n_60dacd0ce4b08ef5e2be61c7
the american urge to paste your opinions on your automobile
Clicked through the first link and saw like half a dozen stickers with the only joke conservatives have ever been able to think of; "x identifies as y". Imagine thinking that's such a pinnacle of comedy that you reuse it for everything you can think of for years and years, never tiring of it.
Imagine "Twitter stuff" being your breaking point after all the bad shit Musk did. These people are the real problem.
He had some credibility with nerds because Tesla transformed the electric car market and was making contributions to renewable energy storage, SpaceX revived the idea of doing more in space than just launching the occasional satellite or probe, and Starlink was pitched with the idea that it'd bring about globally accessable, high-speed low-latency internet. The result is that, because he is the face of Tesla, SpaceX and Starlink, he received the major of the credit for them. Nerds were willing to overlook the fact that he was an asshole for the contributions that his companies were making to science and technology because either "he's just shitposting" or "sometimes you have to take what you can get shrug". It wasn't until he bought Twitter that they realized that he's not just shitposting, he really is just like that, and that maybe he was causing more harm than he was doing good.
Source: My dad and I had a lot of respect for him up until he bought Twitter and started throwing a temper tantrum. My opinion of him was already waning when I saw the fit he threw about not being able to use his submarine and the bigoted shit he said on Twitter, but him buying Twitter broke any illusions that the either of us had about him being even a somewhat decent person. I've also seen others have similar experiences as well.
seriously, does no one remember how the major car manufacturers were trying to bury electric cars? Does no one remember that one of the big reasons why we have so many electric cars now is because Tesla voluntarily released all their patents to the public in 2014?
Look I get it. Elon is an asshole. But the thing is he took his money and put it into two companies that people basically laughed out of the room as a joke. That is why he is worth so much now.
I agree that Tesla did a TON to popularize electric vehicles when the closest thing from a major American auto manufacturer at the time was probably the plug-in hybrid Chevy Volt. That spark, largely ignited by Tesla, is likely a huge reason we have many of the options we do today.
It’s a shame major manufacturers like Toyota and Honda still won’t get onboard (yes, Toyota technically has a single EV offering as of this year, but good luck finding it and most reviews seem to find it underwhelming at best), but I think that fact further bolsters your point. If those two major players still can’t be bothered to get involved, I think it does indicate that what Tesla did during the last decade or so helped inspire others to get into the market that may not have otherwise.
That said, do we have any evidence that Tesla’s announcement of a plan to release their patents in 2014 really made any real difference? I am unaware of any of those patents being used by competitors anywhere, though it is entirely possible I am uninformed and I’d appreciate any sources you have.
I think one of the most glaring examples that the patent release may have had little to no impact is that the now-presumptuously-renamed “NACS” connector still isn’t used by anyone other than Tesla almost a decade on. In fact, SAE only announced that they would standardize the thing at the end of June this year.
Again, I freely admit that I agree Tesla deserves credit for finally creating a real, mainstream electric vehicle market. However, I am personally unaware of any benefits their 2014 “announcement of a plan to release their parents” has actually directly benefited the industry.
Makes sense the people buying teslas are obsessed with what others think of them
Eyy
I would prefer they drive a Tesla than a petrol car. But if they swap to another electric car, I'll take it. I hope they advocate for better public transport links locally though.
What would be the purpose of swapping ?
It wouldn’t automagically reuse the resources used to build the Tesla car into another one.
This is a stretch but with bad press the resale value of existing teslas may drop to within reach of more consumers who would otherwise drive an ICE.
Would generally be better if they just kept driving their old car.
I bought it before the twitter stuff
but you bought it well after everyone knew they were shit quality explosive deathtraps and that he was a paedophile
I’m sure the resale value plummeting after the driving range bullshit was exposed probably doesn’t factor into the not selling. Right?
The resale value is plummeting because Tesla is cutting prices because their goal is to become a larger auto manufacturer. Tesla took advantage of COVID just like everyone else to extract money from suckers. Those suckers are crying that Tesla is hurting their resale when Tesla does not give a fuck about their resale. They have a history of lowering prices to drive volume That isn't some secret plan. There are more new buyers to be had than satisfy the people who bought overpriced cars in an expanding market.
Also what evs are people cross shopping for better range per dollar. It is well documented Teslas are still among the most efficient evs.
That being said I own a Tesla because it drives itself.most places. I would rather live in a place with better public transit access to the service calls I have and not own a car at all.
It's a thin shield of irony because pretty much every Tesla owner I know was already a complete douchebag before the Twitter thing.
lolmayo
I don't hurl insults at Tesla owners. If they're dumb enough to stick to owning a car more likely to explode than a Pinto while not even having the panels line up correctly on a $40k "luxury" car, then there's no pox I could wish on them worse than what they're already signed up for.
LOL oh no, these panels are slightly askew and it's fixed for free immediately. The horror... what have I done to myself?
https://news.yahoo.com/tesla-makes-least-reliable-cars-133500819.html
You paid money for it, so you must downplay bad, even dangerous, things about your purchase.
I love day one patches for my games instead of just having one that works
This is the equivalent of voting Republican, then complaining how everything is getting worse.
Eh, if you vote Republican, complain about things getting worse, then vote Democrat, that's changing your mind. If I saw someone with that sticker, I'd assume they regret the decision and won't be getting another one. Being able to change your opinion with new information really shouldn't be discouraged.
That's a good point.
Clarification: This is like voting for the incumbent Republican on your ballot, complaining how things are getting worse... then voting for the 'R' again.
what is about americans and bumper stickers
Lmao imagine being this big a loser you feel like apologizing to everyone because you bought a shit car
It's called self-deprecating humor.
Good contribution!
Tesla is not a company of one person.
Edit: I get wanting to protect yourself from folks who want to take their Elon rage out on random tesla, but isn't it easier to just talk to folks about this?
Thank you for sharing the article, op.
A significant part of what Tesla is, is Elon Musk. If not for Musk’s wild and broken promises, Tesla wouldn’t be as overvalued as it is. Tesla without Musk would probably make better cars, but without him running the world’s biggest confidence game from the top office, it wouldn’t have the valuation it currently has.
I mean if you bought a normal car and then the owner of the car company turns out to be an asshole, who cares?
But if you buy a Tesla the owner of the car company can force an update on you tomorrow because he's a cunt. So there is still direct influence. I don't want to know how badly the terms and conditions for Tesla software is worded, if they can randomly up subscription cost, limit your range (to protect the battery of course), shut off features and put them behind a subscription, ..
Or hell, if a Tesla is located in Ukraine it might just not start at all, they also shut down Starlink.
Its always a debate which CEO has the word to stop a company. Let's say do you think if he really wanted to Satya Nadella could just stop Microsoft? I do believe he could not. On the other hand I do believe Elon could stop Tesla even though he is only ~21% into the company.
When you find out the owner of the brand you're literally flying the flag of is a fascist, and you don't make a change, it's at that point you become the asshole flying the fascists flag. Elon Musk IS Tesla. nice try though dickhead.
Whoops. The CEO of my car's company is a douche canoe. Guess I gotta buy a new car.
Fuck no, man. I hate Musk, and I'll happily express that sentiment to anyone who asks, but I'm not taking on a car payment or trading in my 2019 M3 with tons of life left in it to make a political point.
Wow I really appreciate your comment. No idea why you feel the need to call me a name though. Anyways, thanks stranger. Your opinion is enlightening.
what a patetic testament , so they brougt their fucking car (Most Pricy Class of Consumer Item ) based on them liking the
hype lib train (oviously not actually a Train thats way to efficent and proven) , joyfully driving on the Smuglane ,.. now after the "X" stuff , and Elon having puplic shifted into the Chud lane , they now drive their Tesla on the Crinch highway in such paranoid hyperawareness that they put a fucking Bumperstckr on their car to Preactivly apolegize .... Never be that Pathetic ...Oh come on, they had to have known how much of a weenie he was even before the twitter stuff lol.
He was a good billionaire back then. Then he became uncivil publicly
He was so relatable but still le epic bacon guy before, no don't look at that photo with Maxwell
All this does is reveal who’s obnoxious, gullible, and stupid. How would anyone in their right mind think that pre-twitter Elon didn’t deserve to turn into a vegetable by the Zuck
Whatever. I bought a tesla because it's still the best EV when it comes to range and charging network, and during the pandemic Tesla was the only manufacturer who didnt inflate cost due to chip shortages. I dont care for Musk, but most ceo's are douches, hes just the loudest.
Yeah pretty much my view. Musk is a loud asshole. You don't think the execs at Ford or GM or Chrysler aren't just as/more evil? Using their billions to further slant laws their way and rig the system for their benefit and at our expense...
That being said though I wouldn't buy one at this point probably. Up until a year or two ago, maybe.
I own a Model Y. It’s a great car, but I don’t think I’d buy another Tesla. I’m hoping by the time I’m in the market for another car, there are viable competitors with a good charging network (most likely will be due to NACS) or the competition has forced Tesla to cut their bullshit and treat consumers better.
I was so close to getting one. What a disgrace that would have been...
it must be like licking elon's taint everytime you have to charge up
My buddy sold his Y because his wife hated it and so he tells people it's because of Musk.
It wasn't because of Musk.
Meh, I don't give a fuck. Best car I've ever owned and Musk can eat a diiiiiiiiiiiiick.
This is the only time I'd accept someone calling something virtue signaling.
when you find out the owner of the brand you're literally flying the flag of is a fascist, and you don't make a change, it's at that point you become the asshole flying the fascists flag. virtue signaling. jesus fucking christ.
I've got no clue what point you're trying to make. Are you pro-bumper sticker or something? "Sorry I shoulda boycotted." Very helpful.
I agree, it’s self-hating garbage. Own your decisions.
"Ugh. A Ford, I know. I bought it before the nazi stuff"
Who the fuck cares. It's a tool. You don't care if the multinational corporation behind Disney World is a reprehensible child rape factory either.
Because they were so great before?
“Bought this Tesla before Elon Musk became a huge asshole. Sorry”
wait, Tesla didn’t exist back then
Before he revealed himself to be one
nah, always been one, like I said to what looks like a deleted reply:
If the sticker said “I bought this before Tesla was taken over by a huge asshole”, my response would be different.
If the goalpost is at “don’t buy stuff if the CEO is an asshole”, we’re all in trouble.
If the sticker said “I bought this before Tesla was taken over by a huge asshole”, my response would be different.