1y ago

Trump told donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests, deport demonstrators

www.washingtonpost.com /politics/2024/05/27/trump-israel-gaza-policy-donors/

Trump has waffled on whether the Israel-Gaza war should end. But speaking to wealthy donors behind closed doors, he said that he supports Israel’s right to continue “its war on terror.”

Former president Donald Trump promised to crush pro-Palestinian protests on college campuses, telling a roomful of donors — a group that he joked included “98 percent of my Jewish friends” — that he would expel student demonstrators from the United States, according to participants in the roundtable event with him in New York.

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1y ago

Trump told donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests, deport demonstrators

www.washingtonpost.com /politics/2024/05/27/trump-israel-gaza-policy-donors/

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But let’s protest Biden by abstaining in the general! That’ll teach the Dems a lesson! And get a shit ton more Palestinians murdered but I’ll teach the Dems a lesson that they will definitely forget by 2028!
- Even if they had the same stance on Israel, which they clearly don’t, let’s not forget the Ukrainians that would lose support on day one of a Trump presidency. Also, China would likely begin to move on Taiwan without US support. He’d set the stage for WWIII and justify it as isolationism.
  
  Having interacted with these people I can tell you that nothing has any effect on these goalpost moving liars and you just have to step on their dicks and convince bystanders like you do with any worthless bullshitter
  
  There aren't going to be people left by the time Trump takes office. A million people are getting displaced right fucking now. And Biden deserves to be criticized for supporting that. So does Trump, but he's not President right now. Biden is.
- The protest vote did send a pretty strong message to dems, but they evidently didn't give a fuck so now we just have to suck it up and vote for biden. It's not that they'll forget the lesson, it's that they never learned it at all. 2016 should have been a lesson as well but we see how that turned out.
  
  This part really kills me. We already watched it happen once and are now dealing with irreparable damages as a result. How many people protested HRC by either abstaining or voting for a third-party? Fucking nobody wants Hillary in office anymore, but we don't get a say in the ticket so you suck it up and vote for the person who isn't saying they will literally commit all the crimes because being president absolves them of any blame.
- the democrat party will lose if a segment of their voter base abstains from voting
  and
  the democrat platform can afford to completely ignore a segment of their voter base so doesn't need to adjust their platform
  are two mutually exclusive positions
  
  Wrong. What the democratic party does is nearly irrelevant.
  "We will not vote for Biden because of Gaza" and "We will do what's best for the Palestinians who live in Gaza" are, unfortunately, truly mutually exclusive positions.
  It's extremely sad, but that's the position your Republican neighbors have put you in.
  
  Only if you ignore that there’s also a segment of Democratic voters who would reconsider support for Biden if he took a stance that they perceived as anti-Israel. Democrats are a coalition party of compromises between factions who have to work together to find as much common ground as possible in order to have any political relevance in a first-past-the-post system. Biden has to walk whatever tightrope loses the fewest votes, and he seems to think that not doing a 180 on decades of US foreign policy is the best way to do that.
- It worked when people were mad at Netflix a couple years ago, right?
Where are my “genocide Joe” boys? You, the ones that have nothing to say but Biden/democrats bad?
You always leave this part out. Troll farm tankies.
- BOtHsiDeSsAmE1
- The fact that no matter who I vote for it's gonna end up with kids being killed on my dime is the problem. At least Biden will pretend to feel bad about it, which is all I've come to expect from my government.
  I've long given up on the notion that I get to vote for someone I like in this system.
  
  I wish that “likability” wasn’t such a huge part of the equation. Doing the right thing and being effective at it should be a bigger factor.
  
  I’ve long given up on the notion that I get to vote for someone I like in this system
  Democracy baby! :/
  I think this is the practical assessment of politics for a mature adult however. We want better, but we understand that we won't get our ideal, perfect options. We have to choose for the better, unideal, option, and hope that our choices will allow our progeny to one day have those ideal candidates.
- Excuse me, but I never leave out that Trump is a fascist who's worse than Biden. And I'll vote Biden against Trump. Biden is still a lying piece of shit absorbing and spreading Israeli propaganda about murdered babies and systematic rape on Oct 7. He's still facilitating a genocide. None of Trump's evil words can change that. Biden can change that, but he chooses not to.
  
  Maybe you should understand that there are biggwr pictures?
  The sucky part of being a politician is that inevitably you'll have to make decisions that you won't like, that go against your better judgement, that you might be opposed to. There simply may be bigger issues at stake. You may have an ally that you begrudgingly have to support because if you don't you can lose that ally, making the situation so much worse. Worse yet, you might upset a large part of your voters that will in turn not vote for you on the next election.
  I dunno for sure but I think that Biden is in the situation where he must be very careful with what he does with Israel. You may not have noticed, but he has been criticizing them, he has been pushing them to stop, but very very carefully.
  In a way He's may be in the same situation as us. Just as we begrudgingly have to vote Biden over trump to avoid shit really going to hell, he may have to begrudgingly support Israel to avoid losing many voters that he'll need in the next elections.
  Because of this I think it isn't as simple as "Biden is a liar" and "Biden supports genocide". I could be wrong and he very well may be evil, but from what I've seen, from what he's been doing in other parts of his job, I highly doubt that. I really do believe that he's trying to navigate this situation as carefully sd he can.
  Shit simply isn't that simple
- They're on the same article thread posted an hour after mine.
- Oh I know exactly where you can find them! Just visit lemmy.world/c/politicalmemes community, they post there 24/7
- I'm right here, this article does nothing to change my mind about how Joe Biden is aiding and abetting an ongoing genocide.
  Yes, Trump will almost certainly be worse. That doesn't change the fact that our current president's support for genocide is deplorable, it hurts his electoral chances, and it damages the US standing in the world.
  Burying Palestinian families alive under the rubble of their former homes is not a good use of my tax dollars. Joe Biden needs to stop.
  
  Genocide is a US problem not specific to any president.
  You can say "Joe Biden is helping/supporting Israel in its genocide on Palestinians". Calling him "genocide joe" is repeating GOP bs. They say it like that to keep the critical thinking to a minimum.
  
  this article does nothing to change my mind
  Nobody claimed you could read...
  
  Nice little performance! But your act isn't all that convincing really.
  Joe Biden cares more about Palestinians than you do. He's doing things to help while you're projecting faux outrage.
If Trump wins and has his SS start shooting Pro-Palestinian protestors, it’ll be really hard to hold back from saying “told you so”
- They'll have put their red hats back on by then.
- You’re just telling on yourself that you’re a fascist at heart then.
  
  Elaborate on that logic, please, because it doesn't make sense to me.
  
  Why is it that everybody with a differing opinion than yours is called a fascist? The word does not mean what you think it means and by using it in this manner, you're making the word lose its meaning.
  How about bringing real discussion to this thread instead of whatever this is?
He's getting ready to speed up the genocide
- We better elect Biden so we can have incremental death? Both are Zionist pieces of shit not worthy of holding office.
  
  BoTh SiDeS amirite? GTFO
  
  Yeah! Why go for incremental death when we can just kill every other person as fast as possible! Thanos 2024!
  
  Got a better idea?
  
  Agreed, but the next President is going to be either the guy who is supporting Israel because he wants the money or the guy who is supporting Israel because he loves their authoritarianism and wants to bring it here.
Getting deported during his second term might be a good thing
FYI: Most of those braindead "am I not allowed to criticize Biden????" comments and posts on social media are a concerted effort by right-wingers from /pol and other such sewers, trying to get people to not vote against Trump. Don't fall for it. These aren't "lefties" or "tankies". Just downvote, report, and ignore.
- They’re insane if the think I wouldn’t crawl over 5 miles of glass covered in diarrhea to vote against christofascism, and the only way to vote against christofascism is by voting for the side with the best chance to claim its victory, and much to my chagrin that’s Biden, it’s a really simple calculus
  
  correct. this is not the time to win the fight, this is the time to make sure we will be able to continue fighting it.
- Quite often when someone loudly whines about "not being able to criticize [X]" it's because they have an opinion that is either repugnant, hateful or ridiculous and nobody wants to hear them. Nobody is saying they can't or aren't allowed to have criticism or opinions, but everyone else has a right to ignore or ridicule them for it.
  In the end, it's usually just trolls. Giving them attention is what they want so it's best to ignore them entirely and not give them the reaction they're desperate for.
- I mean, I dont really care for Biden. Having said that, I'd rather gouge my eyes out with a rusty spoon than not vote for him and end up with Trump, so "genocide Joe" or whatever those morons are calling him begrudgingly has my vote.
Bbbbbut Biden more bad!! Because Jeenoside
- Trump never aided a genocide during his term.
  
  He never had the opportunity.
  
  You know the ICE camps that sterilized people and had Trump portraits about winning the war? Sterilizing women of a group you oppress is in the definitions of Genocide, so he absolutely did. He also recommended other genocidal things, but because he can be convinced by the last general who spoke to him, they didn't put those plans into place.
  
  Not true, he hasn't used all his fame and power to stop the Gaza genocide so he is 110% at fault.
  Same with you.
So where are all the "concerned Democrats" that always show up en masse to talk about how horrible Biden's Gaza policy is?
Aren't you guy's concerned about this policy too? Or is it fine because it's not Biden's policy?
- Yeah, but gEnOcIdEjOe!!!!111eleventy!!! Or something.
- They want to vote, but only for the perfect, ideal candidate that wants the exact things they do. Since that doesn't exist, they'll smugly sit on the sidelines attacking Biden and ignorantly and (hopefully) unintentionally helping Trump win by refusing to vote for the only candidate that can stop him.
- They're sick of hearing and talking about Trump, so they don't want to talk about this stuff. They would rather film themselves crying about gEnOcIdE jOe on tiktok to make them feel better about themselves.
  Single issue voters hurt everyone.
- So where are all the “concerned Democrats” that always show up en masse to talk about how horrible Biden’s Gaza policy is?
  Right here. We never left.
  https://x.com/Harbpeace/status/1795512160266653866?t=NhxvzhVwaIuLs6EMBBJXXw
  Aren’t you guy’s concerned about this policy too?
  I'm concerned there's not going to be a Gaza left by the time Trump takes office.
  
  That's the thing, Trump has been strategically quiet on the issue. He wants to make sure the spotlight is on Biden, even he is leaning into calling him genocide Joe.
  Trump knows this is a hot button issue, and if he were to speak out more on what his policy would be on it, he would very much unite the left against him. Letting Biden take the heat ensures the left is fractured.
I always said President Biden is the lesser of the two evils. Mango Mussolini should shove off to fucking Moscow.
thanks again republicans for reminding us that expression of grievances is basically communism
Bypass pay wall here
how very freedom loving and democratic
I'll expel US citizens
Orly?
- Could be worse. He could be threatening to bomb them, like Obama did.
The people who need to see this will instead shut their eyes and cry gEnOcIdE jOe!!!
- They could both be doing genocides you know. It doesn't make Biden's lack of response and continual support of Israel good, and it deserves to be criticized.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Former president Donald Trump promised to crush pro-Palestinian protests on college campuses, telling a roomful of donors — a group that he joked included “98 percent of my Jewish friends” — that he would expel student demonstrators from the United States, according to participants in the roundtable event with him in New York.
When one of the donors complained that many of the students and professors protesting on campuses could one day hold positions of power in the United States, Trump called the demonstrators part of a “radical revolution” that he vowed to defeat.
Several influential Republican donors, including Miriam Adelson, have pressed Trump to publicly express support not only for Israel but also for Netanyahu, its embattled leader.
He also recalled that he had “a bad experience with Bibi,” claiming that Israel had planned to participate in the 2020 U.S. strike that killed Iranian General Qasem Soleimani but backed out at the last minute.
Trump and Netanyahu’s relationship will “continue to prosper and flourish” if they’re both in office at the same time again, Matthew Brooks, chief executive of the Republican Jewish Coalition, said in an interview.
The group watched gruesome footage of the Oct. 7 attack and toured parts of the country where Israelis had been killed or kidnapped, making for an “educational visit that was life-changing,” McMullen said.
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When he loses ship him over there
Soon^tm we'll hear him crying 'Wollt ihr den totalen Krieg?'. Pretty sure about that. History rhymes.
Oh, no! Please, please don't send me to Vancouver, British Columbia!
For those using this to lecture the world about how Joe Biden is the lesser of two evils, let me tell you that genocide is the maximum evil. you can't go higher than that. so they will be just as equally evil.
few innocent thousands people dead, should have been enough for you election strategists to fill the streets with millions of protesters to bring the establishment to meet your demands. not trying to guilt trip those who can't consciously give their vote in support of the actual policies and their taxes to bomb Palestinians into submission , genocide of 50 thousand people is just as immoral as one with 100 thousand people.
So more of the same?
- What's your source on Pro Palestinian students being deported by Biden?
  
  I made it up bro
  
  How are any Pro Palestinian protesters getting deported by either? Neither can. Just another boogeyman scare.
He's trying to appeal to Democrats now?
- No, he's just a grifting pos who will say anything to anyone willing to give him a dollar.
  Btw I'm still waiting on that answer, champ.
  
  Ah. Dismissive pet names. Condescension is no substitute for defensible positions.
- When you are more anti Biden than anti Trump, you are effectively pro Trump.
  
  If you would like to go there, let's. When you're more anti-criticism than you are anti-genocide, you are pro-genocide.

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