It seems like a lot...

This is harmful misinformation that can literally lead to people dying from tobacco related disease.

Vaping, while definitely not healthy, is NOWHERE NEAR as unhealthy as smoking tobacco is. Especially when you do it as intended: temporarily for smoking cessation like I added decades to my life by doing.

I smoked for 18 years, the last 10 of which I tried every other smoking cessation method including prescription medicine and substance abuse therapy. They just didn't work for me.

Vaping did, though. In roughly 6 months I went from smoking a pack or two a day (depending on stress levels and alcohol intake) to neither smoking nor vaping at all and I haven't for over 3 years.

I think the main problem is that the companies selling vapes and related products are not really targeting users who are quitting smoking. Obviously there is less money in temporary users. They are targeting people who will keep smoking, usually because it is "cool" and especially teenagers who are a good target for "cool" and can be customers for a long time.
So yes, if you are using it temporarily ease off nicotine it is great and we should keep vapes available for these people as medical devices. However we should try to reduce the damage that vapes are doing to other people. How strongly we should do this is obviously controversial. Personally I would focus on education and personal choice, but there is a strong argument to be more forceful.
If it can help people to quit smoking, I'm all for it. But I hope eventually they get to quit vaping too so they at least won't have any of the harmfull effects of those.
- If it can help people to quit smoking, I'm all for it.
  That's literally what it was invented for and 90%+ of what it's used for today.
  But I hope eventually they get to quit vaping too so they at least won't have any of the harmfull effects of those.
  Again, that's all it was ever designed for.
- Vaping has been around for nearly 15 years now and there aren't any known harmful effects.

it's healthier

It's less damaging.

Less leathal.

It is healthier than cigarettes. Anyone who has smoked and vaped a lot can tell the difference in the damage that it's causing your body. You don't need a scientific study to tell you that not coughing for two hours every morning is better for you.

Don't vape, but if you're going to pick up an addictive habit pick up vaping instead of cigarettes/drinking/gacha games. Much less hazardous to your health.

How did you even get to gacha games over just gambling in general
- Write what you know, I suppose.
unfortunately vaping is causing cancer which again unfortunately kill you faster than smoking
- That's literally the opposite of the truth.
  Smoking tobacco is the world's number one lifestyle cause of premature deaths in general and cancer in particular.
  Meanwhile, there's no credible evidence that vaping causes cancer at all, let alone at the extreme rate that tobacco smoking does.
- LOL, based on which study?
- Only actual study I have ever seen that even posits a reasonable way that vaping increases your risk of cancer is if you're using shitty burnt out coils or overamping and basically inhaling atomized metals from the coil.
  Basically its the equivalent of smoking a cigarette down to the filter.
  It is not hard to keep your tank mostly full and swap out coils in a timely manner these days. Coil design, amount of electricity used and the juice itself have all changed to make it a lot more difficult for the burning up and inhaling your coil situation to happen.
- Fuck off, tobacco troll.

I mean I switched to vaping a few years back. Still getting a smokers cough and breathing has barely improved. I should quit completely. Vaping has made it slightly easier, though. But in all honesty, screw the health effects of either I'm just glad I don't reek of cigarettes anymore. I didn't realize how absolutely awful my clothes smelt until I switched.

I switched to snus. I'm also so happy about the smell. Congrats us for quitting cigarettes
When I first hugged my little brother after I switched to vaping he said, “you don’t smell like cigarettes” and my heart just broke. I can’t ever go back, even if vaping isn’t really helping me quit nicotine, it’s still saving them from being around the smell like I was when I was a little kid, and I hated that damn smell. Should’ve never started, but it’s easier said than done.

So, ok, absolutely if you go through disposable vape after disposable vape, yes you are literally throwing batteries away...

But if you get a rechargeable, refillable pocket vape, which you can get for maybe the cost of two or three disposables...

Then you are just recharging a battery. Usually a much smaller (in terms of energy capacity) battery than even the crappiest phone.

Obviously you should not pick up vaping as a habit, but it is faaaar less bad for you than smoking, and if you were already addicted to smoking, well switching to a vape is healthier and less expensive.

Myself I spent almost a decade smoking, switched to a vape and my lung capacity is greatly improved, oral health is way better, oh and no more horrific coughing. I am slowly dialing down the concentration in the hopes that one day I'll be able to quit.

Before that it was years of trying to quit cigarettes, making it a week or a month with none, giving up and getting a pack, feeling like a piece of shit figuratively and literally as they'd make me sick again.

People do not seem to widely realize or appreciate that nicotine withdrawals are as bad or worse than heroin withdrawals.

Another hand grenade you can throw into this is: Sure, smoking weed has varying medicinal properties, but it also has the problem that you are smoking something.

Do you smoke your blunts through a filter?

No?

Oh, ok so thats about the same tar and particulate matter as the same amount of smoking hand rolled cigarettes.

Ive known plenty of habitual weed smokers with the traditionally tobacco associated 'smokers cough', and they would tell me that smoking MJ is actually healthy for you as they are weezing and out of breath, hacking up a lung after a flight or two of stairs.

The coughing, holy shit. I used to wake up and sound like I was dying and spit out so much nasty shit every morning. My family could literally tell when I was awake by the sounds I made.
- Thanks!
  And no, I have not heard about that, do you have a link to something going into that maybe?
  If you do I will read it after I wake up, I have been up all night and just wrote a couple hundred words of a short story about Elon Musk being the world's worst sandwich maker.
  Delirium is clearly upon me so I should probably sleep now.
- Source?
- I've head some doctors say it can cause cancer in the soft tissue indide your mouth and cheeks.
  [Edit] Why the hell am I being downvoted? This is confirmed information.
  From the link:
  “It’s not only tobacco smoking that can affect oral health and have other health risks. When vape juice is heated it can potentially damage enamel and irritate soft tissue. As the ingredients tend to be thick and sticky, vapers may be at a higher risk of developing tooth decay and gum disease,” Dr Brown said.
  That is a far cry from cancer, which your link makes no mention of.
  It also says:
  The oral health risks of dry mouth are compounded if people consume sweetened drinks, such as flavoured milks, energy drinks and soft drinks instead of water to combat the effects, which can then provide a greater food source for bacteria.”
  So if this is what you're hanging your hat on you better fucking only drink water my dude.

Healthier than cigarettes is such a low bar to clear that it doesn't really mean much.

Unfortunately, it also means that boomers who smoke cigarettes won't ever try vaping because "they're both bad for your health".
They're 95% safer, so they cleared it by quite a lot
- May I have a souce on that 95% safer, please?
- And instead of 1/2 a pack a day, people who vape only do it for 14h/day

I have this vape and i just reload it like a sawn off shotgun

Man... You're living in 2050, and I just keep 3 extra batteries in my pocket. What vape is that?
- Istick tria, bought in 2018 and enjoyed ever since

What movie is this from?

I wanna know too, it looks cool
Most important question here

My only problem with people that vape is they think they can do it where you can't smoke a cigarette and/or joint. Sorry bro, get over here with the rest of us, no one wants to smell your shitty strawberry flavored whatever.

If a vape didn't have a scent though, would it still be forbidden?

A lot of comments here are saying that vaping is apprently healthier than smoking. But we don't actually know that. All independent studies I know of say that we can't tell the long term consequences to vaping lungs yet.

Everyone that says that vaping is healthier than smoking is just parotting the companies that sell vapes.

Edit: Some videos about that topic:

https://youtu.be/XuTQbOo3Y30

https://youtu.be/bbV6I8VRMG8

we don't know the long term consequences
Does not equate to "just as harmful as cigarettes". All of the data that we have available shows it to be considerably less harmful than cigarettes. If there are long term consequences, and there almost certainly are, they will still be less harmful than cigarettes.
- I never said that vapes are "just as harmful as cigaretres". Altough most studies that suggest "less harmful" vapes are corporately sponsored by vape companies and tobacco companies that are slowly adopting vapes into their model.
  Vapes as a tool to quit smoking are a nice tale, and probably work sometimes. But mostly vapes attracted teenagers and young adults and have started addicting a new generation of smokers/vapers after numbers have been falling these past few years.
So who's paying you to shill?
We're not parroting companies selling vapes. This is literally 9 years ago: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/e-cigarettes-an-evidence-update
At least 95% less harmful than tobacco.
- 9 years of evidence is a lot of time when it comes to signs of long term damage. Especially with a new technology
List the chemicals in a vape and then list the chemicals in a cigarette and tell me that vaping isnt a healthier alternative to smoking.
"It's fine, probably..."
-someone making money off it
Actually, it was on the Dutch news recently that doctors find that it's really unhealthy for teenagers.
- People shouldn't be under the impression it's healthy, it's just a lot less unhealthy than cigarettes.

Check out this comprehensive review from 2022 about vaping and health:
https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj-2021-065997

The last bit in its conclusion section states:
"The true impact of vaping on respiratory health will manifest over the coming decades, but in the interval a prudent and time tested recommendation remains to abstain from consumption of inhaled nicotine and other products."

The best is don't smoke at all

Vaping isn't smoking. It's a smoking cessation method that involves no smoke or burning and contains no tobacco.