can't make this shit up
can't make this shit up
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.cringecollective.io/post/5626
can't make this shit up
can't make this shit up
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.cringecollective.io/post/5626
can't make this shit up
We're playing Plague Inc on easy mode.
"Sick people given hugs"
Papa nurgle smiles upon mankind, i guess.
MAGA tards: ivermectin on one hand, industrial raw milk in the other
Serious question, does consuming a virus give a similar viral load as inhaling an equal amount?
Assuming you mean viral load referring to mucuses or blood of the infected. Given that the human influenza virus' entry requires the viral surface proteins (hemagglutinin (HA)) to bind to acids present on respiratory epithelial cells along with cleavage of HA by host cell proteases (enzymes that breakdown proteins) to facilitate membrane fusion. These trypsin-like proteases are mainly expressed in airway tissues, restricting influenza viral tissue response to the respiratory tract. I would say it would be highly unlikely for influenza viral replication existing in an environment lacking this crucial interaction let alone a low-pH environment like the GI tract
But probably not a good idea anyway?
What a long-winded, asinine answer. Using scientific jargon doesn't help communicate your meaning to the layman when you do not bother to actually explain the meaning of the jargon you use.
Put the effort in to explain the science properly. If you can't, then you don't know the subject well enough. If you won't, then you shouldn't be communicating science.
That's a fascinating question. I'd love to hear from an actual epidemiologist.
You don't swallow all of the milk and thus not all of the virus particles. There's always some residue that can then start to infect you just as if you inhaled the virus.
TLDR: If I interpreted what you are getting at, no. The rest of the comment is about questions surrounding yours that I think are more relevant.
If you inhale a certain amount of virus particles vs drinking the same amount of virus particles, the amount of virus particles that are able to infect cells would be lower in the drink than what was inhaled. So no, the amount of virus particles that can infect you would be lower in the milk.
Fun side fact: there are some routes in your gut to access your immune system, such as the lacteals. Some vaccine researchers have targeted these, but it's notoriously difficult to produce an oral vaccine that is effective as administration by other routes.
The route of infection isn't always important once an injection takes hold. If you get infected by the same virus via drinking vs inhaling, you're still infected with that virus and your body will still have to fight it off.
Quantity doesn't matter so much once you pass the bar for an active viral infection because viruses produce an obscene amount of replicates once they infect a cell. The bar for infection does vary by the pathogen and route of exposure, so it can take a much larger quantity of virus particles for an infection to take hold through your gut than through your lungs. Different viral species are able to more efficiently infect you via different routes as well.
Aside from those effects, how are differences in the route of an infection important?
A pathogen in your muscle (or an injected vaccine) will produce cells to fight the infection and cells to remember the pathogen as well as help fight an infection caused by that pathogen in the future. This can reduce the severity and length of symptoms you experience with future infections.
A pathogen in your mucous membrane (I'm mainly talking your nose and nasal-spray vaccines) will produce all of the types of protection that would be produced in your muscle, but it can also produce antibodies that will interact with the pathogen and prevent a new infection from occurring.
Vaccine researchers are trying things like nasal sprays instead of intramuscular injections in order to target this preventative immune protection. This isn't the only potential benefit, but it's one reason to do this and some vaccines are available as nasal sprays.
All of this is generalized and immunology is vastly more complex than I made it sound here. To be frank, immunology is so complex that we still largely are guessing during vaccine research. We know things, but everything in the immune system is interconnected and there are still many things we don't know. We only have part of the puzzle and are missing the picture on the box. Even when we do find an effective treatment, chances are it was an educated guess, but we don't actually know all of the mechanisms behind the protection.
Hopefully that helps make things a bit clearer.
Drinking infected milk sounds like an ineffective and potentially dangerous way to protect yourself, but frankly, it's not entirely without merit. I definitely won't be doing it.
My milkshake brings all the boys to graveyard
And they’re like, it’s better than SARS.
I used to think if these people did the dumb things they would die before having any impact on the rest of us.
I say we let natural selection take its course
Plz don't, I work retail.
I got bad news folks.
It's truly our way.
Millenia of storytelling: These are things that can happen, let's make sharing information fun.
History: Look at all this misery. Look at it.
Post-covid: Ok boys, we gave it a go. Good job overall, but we need to do better next time. Let's hit the showers then the replays to see what we can do better.
Us: Why is this happening? Who did this to me? Because I've been kept in the dark I will decide how to handle this new situation and spread the word.
Still unlikely to develop human to human transmission this way.
That's totally how human to human transmission is going to start.
I mean, it may give 'em immunity. Just not how they think it should (although I'm not sure if they can think at all) :D
Natural selection:
It can be passed from mammary glands? That's.... Oh it must be on the skin and getting mixed into the product...
Good news! The mortality rate is so high it's unlikely to spread as far as COVID!
America has the best education in the world.
Whatever this is refuses to load for me
I get that a lot and have to click the "hd" full version button for it to load
That's not why raw milk is purchased, and gizmodo guy is truly an idiot.
Most of the pastuerized milk being sold is also processed in other ways, for example it is homogenised with milk powder to bring fat content to a standardized level.
Raw milk = non-homogenised milk = pure milk/natural milk
And raw milk is boiled and then cooled (superior to pasturisation) in domestic setting, before consumption.
I'm pretty sure what I drank daily for 18 years now, sometimes 4l+, was raw milk. And I did not have any problems.
Oh I know this one:
What is "Gambler's Fallacy" or "Survivorship bias."
You're missing the point and you're probably wrong.
ok, I'll try:
What is "explosive diarrhea on a daily basis so you don't think there is a problem?"
Easy to point the finger at everyone doing this, but every person who continues buying and consuming animal products are still most primarily to blame for this situation.
If this does become a new pandemic, we might be talking about an unprecedented ~50% of the human population killed. A real life Thanos event. Thanks omnivores.
At least you are straightforward with your username.
It’s sad that bACoN means more to people than the very lives of their loved ones on top of all the moral atrocities inherent in animal ag.
The top reason I don’t have hope for the future. People don’t care if the world burns and disease runs rampant if it means they get their tendies right now.
I happen to think Militant Vegans should be eaten or composted but even I will agree that your first sentence is broadly correct. Industrialized agriculture and CAFO operations are to blame for this so you can generally say that consuming animal products is to blame.
Your second point is highly speculative and not based on any factual evidence. The speculated worst case scenario seems to be maybe 20x COVID-19, or 140 million worldwide.
As a vegan, I should think you'd celebrate even that high rate of attrition. It would mean, overall, far fewer delicious animals being consumed.
Lemmy hating on the raw food movement now?
Claims held by raw food proponents include:
- That heating food above 104–118 °F (40–48 °C) degrades enzymes in raw food that aid digestion, when in fact enzymes in food play no significant role in the digestive process, prior to being digested themselves.
- That raw foods have higher nutrient values than foods that have been cooked, when in fact cooking affects nutrient contents variably – depending on the plant food and cooking method – and may actually increase availability of fat-based nutrients, such as vitamin E and beta-carotene.
- That foods cooked at high temperatures, especially meat, may contain harmful toxins, including trans fatty acids produced by heating oil, acrylamide produced by frying, advanced glycation end products (AGEs), and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. Not all cooked food contains harmful chemicals, and a diet containing a mix of cooked and raw food is normal. According to the American Cancer Society, it is not clear as of 2019 whether acrylamide consumption affects the risk of cancer. Public health authorities recommend reducing consumption of overly cooked starchy foods or meats.
Health effects
A raw food diet is likely to impair the development of children and infants. Care is required in planning a raw vegan diet, especially for children, as there may not be enough vitamin B12, vitamin D, and calories for a growing child on a totally raw vegan diet.
Food poisoning is a health risk for all people eating raw foods, and increased demand for raw foods is associated with greater incidence of foodborne illness,especially for raw meat, fish, and shellfish. Outbreaks of gastroenteritis among consumers of raw and undercooked animal products (including smoked, pickled or dried animal products) are well-documented, and include raw meat, raw organ meat, raw fish (whether ocean-going or freshwater), shellfish, raw milk and products made from raw milk, and raw eggs.
One review stated that "Many raw foods are toxic and only become safe after they have been cooked. Some raw foods contain substances that destroy vitamins, interfere with digestive enzymes or damage the walls of the intestine. Raw meat can be contaminated with bacteria which would be destroyed by cooking; raw fish can contain substances that interfere with vitamin B1 (anti-thiaminases)"
I don't speak for all of lemmy, but yeah I think I am going to hate on the raw food movement
This isn't hating on raw food movement, this is like having a water main break and being advised to boil and/or filter water before drinking it.
A lot of dairy cows are infected with a new virus. Raw/unpasteurized milk has a greater chance if transmission to those consuming it. Recommended to refrain from consuming raw milk until there is no longer such a high rate of infection...
I've been hating on the raw food movement for much longer than lemmy even existed. Drinking raw milk is especially stupid.
So... they think it will... vaccinate them?
Truly it boggles the mind.
There is the tale (which has a grain of truth in it.) of how vaccination from chickenpox came to be via milkmaids and cowpox, so maybe folks think bird flu will work the same?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3758677/
this one took a while