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If those tankies could read, they'd be very upset!

Advocating for Communism is not Advocating for the USSR.
- Hence why we call them Tankies and not communists
  Edit: Stop defending Tankies. If you are truly a Communist that doesnt support Russia and China, then defending the Tankies by letting them pretend ALL communists get called Tankies is only making you look bad by comparison. If Tankie was synonymous with communist, it wouldnt need to exist as a word.
  2nd edit: I'm giving some of you WAAAYYY too much benefit of doubt but heres a further point, at the moment there is two options
  1: You help clarify that Tankie means "Communist who Supports Authoritarian Regimes and their use of violences to suppress dissent" for people who are using the word incorrectly
  or
  2: You help create a smokescreen for Tankies to hide behind and let Tankie and Communist blur so Tankies can claim that all Communists get called that so the word means nothing. And if you are successful in that, the vast majority of us with great distaste for the Chinese and Russian goverment will just switch to telling ALL communists to fuck off because we certainly arent going to grow more tolerance for regimes that have no issues violently suppressing minorities
  There is no 3rd option
  Final Addition: 9 communists are sitting at a table when 1 Tankie decides to join the table. No one rejects the Tankie from sitting. 10 Tankies sit at a table
- It's pretty hard to tell on Lemmy.
  I've been banned from .ml twice for criticizing Putin's Russia.
- Tell that to all the tankies that suck off Putin every chance they get then.
- Tankies are advocating for the USSR, with any eventual communist utopia being optional.
- Cue in Omaega Haxor and Yoghurt jumping in to appologize for Putin and North Korea.
It's more than half picture, the message might get through.

That wasn’t real communism. Everybody’s equal under real communism.

Hetero people would get executed too!

They did. Not just the hetero men, but the hetero women and hetero children too!
Wait. Didn't they?
- Yes but not because of their heterosexuality. It was usually nationality, ethnicity, religion, being "counterrevolutionary", or just because someone like lavrentiy baria didn't like you
Real end-game communism is a stateless, classless society
Nobody would be executed under real communism
- Real end-game communism is functional, stateless, declarative, reproducible, and defined in a single configuration file.
- cant have state, money, or class if everyone is dead >:3
- People can be executed under Communism, though ideally the death penalty would be abolished, with rehabilitation being the focus. The state in Marxian terms is the apparatus within government by which one class oppresses others, a classless society can have a government. Marxist Communism was always envisioned as a Socialist World Republic.
  This is why Anarcho-Communism and Communism are different, along with strategy.

No no no! You got it wrong! It was because checks notes Imperialist USA!

Lenin and the Bolsheviks essentially legalized it though.
Nobody likes Stalin. If you do, think about your life and your place in the world

The lemmygrad, lemmy.ml and hexbear kids would be very angry, if they could read this.
If those Capitalist Apologists could read they would be quite upset.
- This meme really triggered you, huh?
ehhh, unfortunately I've met more than my fair share of people who unironically like Stalin.
Lots of actually good communist figures out there and they go out of their way to choose the homophobic drunk domestic abuser who kept a literal child rapist as his right-hand man.
- Being the leader of the nation that defeated the Nazis gets you a lot of credit. Moreso when Nazis start cropping up again.
  I think these days his iconography tends to just trigger those who would ultimately roll with fascism over communism.
I can't come up with a good, succinct comment on these parallel universes, but there sure is something about seeing these side by side.
- Have you never hear of Trotskyism.

I remember tankies telling on Reddit me how "Pushing for LGBT Rights is forcing Western ideals on non-Western people" and how "Putin killing the gays is good actually".... the Horse Shoe Theory is real

Horse shoe theory still doesn't work-- you have to change to the stethoscope model to include tankies
- "I'm so leftist I'm voting for Trump" --some young voters unironucally
- Well, the whole notion that things are on a spectrum is kind of false.
  There are the people using what we know about the world right now to try to improve the conditions for all of us and who are willing to adjust course based on evidence and results, and then there are those clinging to failed notions of the past, whether it be an outdated philsophy from four hundred years ago or a failed theory from yesterday.
  In that way it's more of a binary that does not care if you're anarchist, monarchist, communist, libertarian, democratic etc. If your ideas aren't working and you fail to admit they aren't working then you have become a conservative, regardless of how radical your idea was when it was concieved.
- Should the political compass be a pyramid?
Yup, it's always "critical support" for any country with an adversarial relationship to the "imperial core" no matter how fucked up they are on human rights, or anything else.
It's never critical support for any of the "succdem" countries for their advances on human rights and social safety nets despite not moving towards socialism/communism, and then trying to get them moving in that direction.
Not that all or even most of the countries they support are actually moving towards socialism/communism either. The countries they list as AES (already existing socialism) make me think they have literal holes in their heads, like that guy that didn't realize he shot himself in the head with a nail gun for years.
They're good at quoting Marx but when it comes to who they support their only requirement is anti-western aligned countries, and they'll twist their brains into any knots necessary to invent a narrative to justify that support.
- It's because they don't care about socialism. They mostly care about relitigating the cold war. It's honestly pretty transparent.
It's a very common thing for people to equate queerness with other concepts of otherness like "not from my group!" type pearl clutching. Bigots in a lot of places are weirdly more accepting of individual queer folks when they are noticeably foreign and more treat the concept of people being queer as an outside corrupting influence... Nevermind that the existence of queerness is basically a universal. People from non-permissive places really don't want to believe that their culture will also constantly manifest new queer people. They often believe something along the lines of if they stamp on it hard enough it becomes more rare instead of just more people hiding and struggling in isolation and silence often risking their lives if they misjudge a social situation or dying because of a pervasive sense of dispair.
But no matter how hard you stomp the "problem" never goes away. You have to keep stomping forever in perpetuity. The boot must always rest heavy on someone's neck and will never touch floor again because there will always be someone there to rise if the pressure ever stops. It's in part why the concept of people essentially just being "born that way" has been so powerful.

Wait Stalin executed gay people because Stalin needed to be stronger than Kakarot?

And to circle it to a common online debate, DC has its "Red Son" alternate continuity where the major divergence point is Kal-El's birthing matrix lands in Soviet territory rather than Kansas so there's a Superman born and raised wholly believing in the idealized theoretical form of communism rather than an idealized version of the US, do could get the "Goku vs Superman" argument going
- Hmmm are there official Dragon Ball whatifs...? Like if he didn't land in the same place....
Communist Goku shared the Senzu beans with Cell
It's pathological

nonono you see, it was fine because uuh homophobia was the norm back then so we can’t blame them! simple!

Imperialist US turned the frogs gay

Stalin did apparently love cowboy movies, and made party members stay up every night drinking and watching them.

He was scared of their power level

wasnt the ussr one of the first places in the planet to stop criminalizing gays?

Yes, then Stalin recriminalized it.
- when?
  and why?
The Soviet government of the Russian Soviet Republic (RSFSR) decriminalised homosexuality in December 1917, following the October Revolution and the discarding of the Legal Code of Tsarist Russia.
The legalisation of homosexuality was confirmed in the RSFSR Penal Code of 1922, and following its redrafting in 1926. According to Dan Healey, archival material that became widely available following the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 "demonstrates a principled intent to decriminalize the act between consenting adults, expressed from the earliest efforts to write a socialist criminal code in 1918 to the eventual adoption of legislation in 1922.
Taken from here
Can you explain what your implication is?

He did it because of Homophobia not Material Conditions.

Woosh.
- Can you really blame Communists for not having a sense of humor? One of those could get you arrested!
homophobia? aren't homes material?
Yeah... Exactly....