2y ago

Fatal Tesla crash may have involved autopilot system

www.forbes.com.au

Fatal Tesla crash may have involved autopilot system: reports

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In the event of a collision autopilot will disconnect moments before impact making the collision fully the fault of the driver in charge. This is a feature, not a bug.
- It's the fault of the driver whether it's engaged or not
- Source: trust me bro.
  On a serious note though why would they do that? Pretty sure they are legally covered with all the warnings that you are responsible for your vehicle.
  
  Serious reply: The computer navigates until it's unable to navigate and then we'll hand over to the driver. Unfortunately that just means the computer is navigated you into a very difficult position which you don't have much time to recover from.
  Funny reply: if you can always claim collisions or the responsibility of a driver, you don't have to answer difficult questions about ethics of artificial drivers, and their efficaciousness..
  Tesla's done some bold things recently like removing lidar. And that's going to make it harder to defend the robot driver when they make mistakes. Removing information from the command and control is difficult to justify
It's unknown if autopilot was engaged... Sigh..
- They know, they just can't tell the media while the investigation is ongoing.
  But if a vehicle crashed on a turning tractor trailer (they start to slow down and signal hundreds and hundreds of meters before turning) hitting on the side without signs of braking, it means the driver was sleeping while the cruise control was engaged (I don't use their misleading marketing term for what is actually an advanced cruise control)
  
  Indeed, no human has crashed into a turning tractor trailer before.
Forbes reports; nothing to report.
Next.
This same crash modality was one of the first autopilot crashes.
When your autopilot will drive right into the side of a truck, people are right to question its safety.
Every day, almost 3,700 people are killed globally in crashes involving cars, buses, motorcycles, bicycles, trucks, or pedestrians; nobody bats an eye. (c.f. US CDC)
One Tesla crashes and it's front page news.
- I guess the difference is we expect humans to fuck up, but autonomous driving is meant to eventually be the thing that replaces that and stops us fucking up.
  
  It just needs to to be better than humans, not perfect. That would save lives.
  
  And Tesla's shitty ADAS is making the rest of the industry look bad.
- Leave the billionaire and his shitty cars alone 😭
Quoting individual instances is not helpful. The more important question is whether their auto pilot makes driving safer on average. According to Tesla themselves..
"the accident rate with Autopilot engaged is just a fraction of the industry average in the US.
From their report:
" Tesla vehicles with Autopilot engaged (mostly highway miles) had just 0.18 accidents per million miles driven, compared to the US vehicle average of 1.53 accidents per million miles.
Teslas on non-highways with Full Self Driving (FSD) engaged had just 0.31 accidents per million miles representing an 80% reduction in accidents compared with the average vehicle. Tesla vehicles with no active safety triggered – neither Autopilot of FSD – had an accident rate of 0.68, less than half the total US vehicle fleet".
I would really like to see independent verification of this.
Fatal Tesla crash MAY HAVE INVOLVED ALIENS!

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