When people complain about systemd "violating the unix philosophy", this is what they actually mean
Credit for the answer used in the right panel: https://serverfault.com/a/841150
he's trying to run the service as a user without run sudo, good luck trying that with runit
Is it r-unit, or run-it?
I've read it as r-unit for so long and now I've only just realised that run-it makes far more sense
lol I've been pronouncing nginx as "enn-jinx" for so long before I learned that it was "engine-ex".
Someone is asking the important questions
Haters gonna hate
Correct. I fucking hate systemd.
Ok, just stop complaining. Almost everyone else disagrees and most of the community doesn't even know that there is a different init system. Systemd was widely accepted 6 years ago and we have moved on.
The good news is that you don't have to use it. The bad news is pretty much everyone expects you to be using it.
Runit, making systems easily pwnable since 2004 🎉
Wow much philosopy. Is great. Incredible chievement. Very pressive!
I'm not yet convinced that "violating the unix philosophy" is a bad thing. I'm not saying that it's not, I don't have a defined opinion about this yet
systemd is for the weak. red hat and lennart are just shit.
I don't support calling people who volunteer their time to develop free software "just shit", but I can't help but agree at least a little bit about redhat. Redhat is kind of like Richard Nixon: if you just assume that eveything you dislike is their fault, you would be right surprisingly often.
That being said, they did also contribute to a lot of kickass software, from btrfs to Firefox to linux namespaces to qemu to pipewire, as well as to software that you can't really live without like glibc or gdb. So I guess the converse also holds: if you just assume that everything you like is there thanks to redhat, you would be correct pretty often as well. Can't really say that about Nixon though.
hitler built the autobahn. enough to not call him shit? doubt that.
what lennart and red hat have done is just terrible.
When you hate something so much you have to find weird corner cases to support your views. Even then the way described isn’t how someone who knows that they are doing would do.
The best way for an unprivileged user to manage a service is for that user to run it. That way you inherit the correct permissions / acls / selinux contexts.
The command to do so is:
systemctl --user start the_service.service
What if multiple users have to manage that service?
Edit: nvrmnd, pretty sure the runnit solution won't allow this either, your answer is correct. What about while the service is already running? Wouldn't your solution require a restart?