1y ago

Ubuntu 24.10 and Debian Trixie Are Getting a Refined APT Command-Line Interface - 9to5Linux

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I have one minor complaint based on that screenshot: "Installed size 44,6 MB" does not have the same meaning as "After this operation, 44,6 MB of additional disk space will be used."
It's okay to have it use fewer words, but it should not be at the expense of accuracy.
I just want to see "from" and "to" versions when upgrading.
I don't really feel the UI is the problem with APT. It is more stupid errors that do not give enough detail such as the dreaded "but will not be installed" nonsense where you manually have to then try to install that package to see why or the issue with post-install scripts failing leaving the package manager in a bad state.
- Dumb error messages like that have to do with the UI and UX. The user interface (UI) in APT has mostly to do with how easily users see, recognize, and understand descriptions of errors (that is, how text appears and is organized), and the user experience (UX) in APT has to do with how easily users can, say, follow-up, within the tool, to resolve those errors.
  An example of a better UI in APT could be grouping to-be installed packages with clear linebreaks and color, or highlighting how much space is to be used by bolding it. All good stuff that isn't gonna kill my eyes when I have to scroll around to find what was / wasn't installed properly.
  And that scrolling around is all about the UX. An example of a better UX could be installation bars rather than percentages to keep the screen from scrolling past errors too quickly, affordances for users to make decisions within APT to resolve dependency issues without it dropping back into the terminal (again, dumb error messages), or providing help within the interface without having to back out to the terminal and use APT with an operator.
  I think it would be great to keep those error messages you mention, like, front-and-center, even after an operation has wrapped up. Who wants hunt/grep through a full log?
Content mills...
Just go to the source. The dev is sharing more info and videos. Sure, it is on LinkedIn which is rubbish but at least it isn't 9to5Linux
https://youtube.com/watch?v=h96VqpbUAk8
Holy shit, 35 tmux windows?! That's insane.
- Hopefully using tmux resurrect so that they just have persistent sessions at hand.
  I can see it as a way to know that "17" is htop to high importance server X, 23 is pinging Server Y, etc.

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