Hypersensitive tankie mod
Hypersensitive tankie mod
I know it's .ml where such things happen but ffs! This guy needs to fucking chill 🤦
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This is the comment and of course toothy banned me for 3 days too.
Just like they did for "sinophobia" when I expressed misgivings about Chinese and Hungarian cops joining forces 🤦
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That's like that meme post from a few years ago where it's like (paraphrased):
Person 1: "I can't stand homophobes"
Person 2: How dare you insult Christians like that.
Person 1: I never said "Christians". You jumped on that grenade all by yourself.
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Just like they did for “sinophobia” when I expressed misgivings about Chinese and Hungarian cops joining forces 🤦
Just love the thing where they twist any criticism of the Chinese state into perceived hate for Chinese people, but are so apprehensive when Israel tries to do the same. It's reprehensible.
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I got banned for “orientalism”, whatever that is
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Orientalism is this stuff.
Idk I personally enjoy seeing terms I learned in grad school being thrown around in a mod log.
Paradigm shifts keep the brain nimble.
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Treating Asian culture or people as a particular stereotype.
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Yeah that's some petty bullshit.
Side note but I really appreciate the mod log feature.
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Yeah, me too. It's a great feature!
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I was also banned from worldnews@lemmy.ml and had comments removed for "Re-enforcing neo-liberal cultural hegemony" and "Believes in objectivity in media lmao".
My offense? Saying that a report sourced solely from an eye-witness account via Al-Jazeera regarding another massacre of civilians and aid workers in Gaza needed to be corroborated by further evidence before we regard it as hard fact. The irony is I'm very much pro-Palestinan.
According to the mods, however, that apparently means I have to throw all media literacy out of the window and blindly accept any anti-Israel claims without question.
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That community is wild, but the discussion over Gaza over there is fucking crazy. Al Jazeera is one of their more credible sources, you can find articles from websites nobody every heard of, small blogs that state IDF soldiers are eating babies. And that is no exaggeration, that was the last thing I read before I left that community...
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Exactly what prompted me to comment, since the blog that sourced Al-Jazeera also added certain details that didn't seem based on anything like actual evidence. Although I admit it wasn't anything near as extreme as the IDF canibalizing babies.
If we must call out pro-Israel propaganda that makes outrageous, unsubstantiated claims like that, we must do the same for pro-Palestinian propaganda, regardless of how we personally feel about the conflict.
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I start almost every comment I make on those instances with
I know this will net me a ban
to play a bit of reverse psychology with the mods there, who don't touch my comments when the denizens there inevitablely say
Oh yeah you think you're so smart well we don't ban opposing opinions unlike some places
And the mods there have their hands tied because banning me would prove their own guys wrong.
It's worked pretty well so far.
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There's such a polarization and paranoia that any comment that's not 100% unwavering support is considered an attack.
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The irony of a communist banning someone over "McCarthyism" when what the banned user said was not even close to McCarthyism, making the mod action itself McCarthyism.
They've become the very thing they hate!
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Usually I hop in these threads ready to tell people why they deserve to be banned, but dang. There is nothing wrong, ethically or factually, in what you said.
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One of their mods banned me for pointing out that Chiang Kai-Shek genocided the communists in China before the Long March. Sometimes they hurt themselves in their confusion.
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It's just a job for them, at the end of the day.
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Not saying he should have been banned, but factually it was wrong, the FRG was mostly staffed by "former" Nazis. A lot of Germans saw it that way, see Baader-Meinhof.
Also it's disingenuous to call one of the biggest arms manufacturers who supplied arms to some of the worst regimes, Israel, Sudan, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Russia "pacifist".
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Sure would be nice if your instance would allow you to rebut op with your view of the situation rather than scrub their comment and ban them. Lemmy needs more content to grow and over active jannies don’t help on that front.
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Frankly everything these days is a matter of option. You aren't going to get anywhere by trying to force an issue. A mod should simply let the community correct any factual errors so they are not getting involved.
To be fair discussing politics online was a disaster on day one
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see Baader-Meinhof
Yep the whole thing was, in retrospect, the second wave of denazification. Less so about the actual ideology, but deeper attitudes underpinning it. Things like the Jubelperser incident are completely unthinkable nowadays. The attitude by far isn't dead yet as you can see e.g. when it comes to the reaction to Extinction Rebellion but it's quite a ways from its former harshness and unquestioned acceptance.
And just for the record: The RAF's methods were never in any way popular. A cultish splinter group of a splinter group with very problematic internal dynamics not taking long to be more occupied with employing terrorism to free its members from prison than with any political struggle. Lots of issues with the urban guerilla in general, CCK Philosophy has an essay about it.
Reducing the whole 68 movement in Germany to the RAF would be doing it a great disservice.
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This is why I’ll personally never donate to the Lemmy devs. I could never bring myself to fund a tankie.
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It's not the only one but one of the bigger reasons why I don't use Lemmy.
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I'm glad we don't use Lemmy, oh wait
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I didn't let that prevent me from using Lemmy, however, I found that I liked Mbin a lot better. Fedia.io has become my favorite forum type website.
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They seem fairly chill as far as I can tell. Its some of the long time users that are the problem
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I have had my comment removed and/or banned from the ml worldnews for "misinformation" for debunking Russian propaganda with sources.
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Why do we allow these instances?
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Who is "we"?
The lemmy devs run lemmy.ml. They're kind of...out there, politically.
The lead dev, dessalines, has material like:
https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html
Admitted to supporting and arming Neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalist groups like the Azov battalion in Ukraine to overthrow it’s former pro-Russia govt, 2. Ukraine now has a pro-US, nazi-glorifying government with ultranationalism, anti-semitism, neo-nazi pogroms, and attacks on LGBT groups.
Dessalines is in the "we need the Soviet Union back and Stalin is awesome" camp. He was using a picture of Stalin as his profile picture for a while.
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You can ask your own instance admin if they're willing to defederate
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All of the .ml instances are absolutely Russian psyops and you can’t change my mind
(I jest… mostly…)
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I'm convinced they're US psyops to make communists look like idiots. I don't agree with most of communism, but I can respect people with different views. But the tankies on Lemmy are doing such a hard double dutch rudder on China and Russia they can't be real. Nobody is that stupid, right? And then I remember how many people are going to vote for trump. Yes, the world really is this stupid all around. Idiots are taking over. The stupid people are breeding. Nationalists that feel it's their duty to populate the homeland.
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Yes, the world really is this stupid all around.
Well, that's the glass-is-half-empty view.
Another way to look at it is that from an evolutionary timeline standpoint, we're a bunch of hairless ground apes quite recently spending most of our time living in caves in groups of maybe 150 at most. We've been, in an evolutionary blink of an eye, propelled rapidly into a horribly-different and rather-confusing environment, and still trying to get by on our cave-dwelling adaptations. And in that context, perhaps we're doing quite well.
It has been observed that if the last 50,000 years of man’s existence were divided into lifetimes of approximately sixty-two years each, there have been about 800 such lifetimes. Of these 800, fully 650 were spent in caves. Only during the last seventy lifetimes has it been possible to communicate effectively from one lifetime to another—as writing made it possible to do. Only during the last six lifetimes did masses of men ever see a printed word. Only during the last four has it been possible to measure time with any precision. Only in the last two has anyone anywhere used an electric motor. And the overwhelming majority of all the material goods we use in daily life today have been developed within the present, the 800th, lifetime.
-- Future Shock, Alvin Toffler, 1970
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You're right that they aren't real communists, that's a mask they wear to spread Kremlin and CCP propaganda.
The idea that they're run by the US government is ridiculous, they're full of hateful anti-Western content.
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Yeah, its the stark advocating of minority rights/protection on one hand and the intense jerking off of dictators with the other that breaks my brain with Tankies
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I dont know anybody on .ml, lemmygrad or hexbear who supports russia, i really dont know where the lib world people got that strawman from.
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Doubt. More than likely just useful idiots.
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Babe, wake up; a new .ml wrongthink euphemism dropped
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Oh, I got banished from a whole instance on Mastadon for saying that the Apple Safari team looks at every bug request (and they do):
Little fucking Napoleons will ruin social media, not matter what platform.
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You sure it wasn't because the admins harbor deep resentment toward both Dutch people and guys named James and you just had the bad fortune to exemplify everything they hate?
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Which instance?
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It's not just pettiness. They're pushing manipulation.
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I was banned for "Rule 4" which, by digging through their rules (which weren't as easy to find as I expected it to be) I learnt that it was "Illegal content". I literally never posted a comment, post or had ANY kind of interaction on lemmy before. THIS would be my first comment.
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I had a post made up of almost exclusively links to news sources (to back up a previous claim) removed due to being "uncivil"
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Something similar happened to me with a community on hexbear. Never posted but I already had a ban. The mods must have seen a comment or something on a different community on the instance. Some of the mods there are just as think skinned as on ml.
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The rules are generally on the sidebar of the community or instance (depending on if you want to know the rules of the community or instance).
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Just block the community/instance and move on
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checks lemmyverse.net
There also appears to be a world news community on lemmy.world, if that's more people's speed.
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No, even though they don't like the instance, they are required to post in it for whatever reason and then cry when they predictably get modded.
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Makes sense!
It's funny to me that they don't admit what they said but want sympathy apparently.
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You guys are getting notifications? I just notice the lack of upvotes after a while posting into the void.
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If you try to post again and get a certain error you're banned from the community, then you can check that community's server's mod log (if it's public)
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Some of the mods will cite the reason for take-down, which is genuinely nice and appreciated and something I forgot even existed after too much time on Reddit.
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Time for an alternate community
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https://lemmyverse.link/lemmy.world/post/14142948
For those on Lemmy who wish to access this post through their home instance
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Do this :
Settings >> Blocks >> Block instance : lemmy.ml-
There's a few niche communities there
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ideally, when we subscribe to a community but we block the instance, the behavior of the software should be that we would see said community ... but in fact, I really don't know what Lemmy software does in those cases.
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I just had one removed from news as well. I don't even remember what I said though so I somehow doubt it was something that crazy
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Found it in the modlog, not posting it here, but you suggested someone killing themselves was a good thing... Yeah, that's going to get removed.
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=144966
From this post:
https://lemmy.world/comment/9274535
Rule 1 - Be civil
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More like "Rule 1 - Selective Enforcement"
They give tankie talking points a lot more leeway.
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What is lemmy.ml and lemmygrad? I'm just a casual using Voyager
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Instances operated by pro-Russian or pro-BRIC individuals/groups that have no interest in dissenting opinion and often spill out into the rest of the fediverse posting anti-western propaganda.
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Basically, it's flat Earth theory but for geopolitics. They believe the exact opposite of what everyone else does so they can have a tight-knit community devoted to being smugly superior to the sheeple.
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Hexbear falls under this umbrella, right?
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Does this break the rules of the fediverse?
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I don't believe lemmy.ml's are pro russian, at least not in that way.
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Instances operated by pro-Russian or pro-BRIC individuals/groups
"Everyone I Don't Like is
HitlerAn Evil Foreigner"
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They're something to add to your block list.
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How to block? And I'm still a bit confused about instances. How do I know which I joined?
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I hate when they don't even say what comment was removed, you just have to search for it through your post history and hit edit to view the original.
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That's where the modlog comes in very handy! It's even available right on your profile tab in Voyager 😁
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Jesus fucking Christ, are we getting the power-trip mods?
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I mean, what was your comment, mate?
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This one: https://lemmy.world/comment/9266324
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yeah,yeah nuke .world i agree (finnaly someone speaking out of being tortured by shit moderators being able to be anonymous as automod)
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I want to remind everyone in here that Lemmy is self-hosted and federated. If you want to make your post visible on their server or community, you have to abide by the rules they set even if they or their enforcement may seem arbitrary or stupid. It's their server/community you want to put your stuff on and they do not have a duty to accept it. Lemmy allows you to block those communities or instances or even to create or host your own.
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Ah yes the freeze peach argument
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No, I'm not appealing to that. Fuck nazis. (I don't actually see how my comment could be interpreted as that since my comment was in response to users complaining about having their content removed from other instances or communities, which if anything would make them the free speechers (I'm not saying that they are))
Lemmy, in contrast to centralized platforms doesn't force you to be restricted to the rulings of a single group of people under threat of being barred from using the entire platform.
My point is, when you are talking on another instance, you are a guest there and it is completely expected for them to kick you out if you don't abide by their house rules or if they don't want you there anymore for whatever reason. While it doesn't mean they shouldn't be criticized for it, the impression I got from the comments on this post is that they think it is some kind attack to a basic human right to remove their comments from a foreign instance and that admins should allow all content your instance allows.
The same can be said about the reactions people from other instances display towards news of some instance defederating from the instance they are on.
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I have no opinion about the particular circumstances of ops ban or anyone else's interaction with lemmy.ml, but posting through a ban just never looks good
A whole comment section posting bans looks... worse. It looks worse.
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What do you mean by posting through a ban?
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posting through a ban just never looks good
It's not like I'm evading the ban by posting there with another account or anything.
Just letting off steam about idiots in a community meant for, amongst other things, exactly that 🤷
Did you want me to leave Lemmy entirely for 3 days just because one idiot tankie called my common sense reply McCarthyism?
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I'm still undecided as to who is more irritating to deal with... the tankies over in .ml or the liberals over here.
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It's a tough competition for sure lol. I'd say that the tankies edge it, but woe betide anyone criticizing Biden for anything on .world.
"I don't think that knowingly supplying the bombs used to commit genocide is great"
"Oh yeah? Well, TRUMP!"
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You said that germanys Nazi problem doesn’t have to do with west Germany never denazifying and that west Germany was a perfect country because of how pacifist it is and how they remember the holocaust.
You posted a screenshot earlier, but here’s the text of your removed comment, split up into the part you quoted and your comment itself for people who have trouble reading the screenshot:
West Germany was never denazified data that ends before the BIRTH of the majority of Germans
Look, I'm not saying that Germany doesn't have a problem with an increase in far right politics and violence in recent years, but to claim that they never stopped being a Nazi country is some ahistorical tankie edgelord bullshit. Until recently, Germany has been a near-pacifist country almost pathologically careful to "Nie wiederholen, nie vergessen" (never repeat, never forget) and pretending otherwise doesn't accomplish anything except expose your very shallow and underdeveloped understanding of the world.
For people who don’t know 20th century European history, that’s like saying that American racism isn’t related to how half assed reconstruction was except over a shorter timeframe.
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The comment you quoted has zero issues, and just paints you as a crazy fucking psycho.
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What makes me seem like a crazy fucking psycho there?
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I mean most of the Nazi middle leadership just became NATO/Western Germany leadership. But they said they're sorry so it was OK.
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worldnews at .ml is a dumpster fire. First community I had to completely scrub from my instance because it was just so toxic from top to bottom.
Edit: Also, will share my last comment there before I self-banned and purged that cesspit from my instance. This is in reply to someone making a fat joke about Kim Jong Un:
Good 'ol ambiguous Rule 1 lol
What you didn't realize is that Kim Jong II is actually the mod
I tried to give that instance the benefit of the doubt at first, but I just block all lemmy.ml communities when I see them now. There's just too much user and ideology overlap with lemmygrad and hexbear. The worldnews sub was especially bad though. Disinformation & insults everywhere, but they're never removed despite reports, because they're part of their side & agenda. It's basically lemmygrad in disguise.
I don't block them, but I use non-ml communities in preference to ml-based communities. I don't think that I'm currently subscribed to any ml-based communities.
You too, huh!
Fucking mods, this is Reddit all over again.
And fuck off whoever that tells me again to set up my own instance. What I want is popular instance admins and mods to pull out the stick out of their asses, because free speech instances that get defederated at the speed of light are of no use.
And there's no seamless multiaccount Lemmy client yet.
rant
Seriously though you're making demands that other people work for free in a manner that will benefit you.
Way I see it, either take some of the free lunch that's on offer or make your own.
..except all of them. At least for Android.
Here's the one's I've used with seamless multiaccount functionality: Liftoff (RIP), Jerboa, Thunder, Connect, Boost, and Voyager
Sync too, but I only used it briefly because fuck ads.
I use lemmy.today. The instance policy there is to try to avoid any defederation, and thus far, it has an empty blocklist.
Now, that doesn't mean that there won't also be instances that will defederate with your favorite instance. But, you know, people aren't required to listen. You can only speak to people who want to hear what you want to say. I think that that's probably really the only reasonable way for things to work. I mean, even user-level user blocking and choosing what communities to view is a form of filtering content.