Russian TV airs fake video alleging Ukrainian involvement in terrorist attack, featuring Ukrainian official
Russian TV airs fake video alleging Ukrainian involvement in terrorist attack, featuring Ukrainian official
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What about ISIS admitting it, even sending a body cam from the attackers.
It reminds me of the Onion: https://youtu.be/Q_OIXfkXEj0
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Admitting it*
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Or something from their own playbook https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings
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Of course it does. Not that it was a false flag necessarily, but it was obvious that an attack like this would be used to increase pressure in the war either way IMO.
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Never let a good tragedy go to waste
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Pretty much what I feel about it. It's still to early to tell what exactly this tragedy is, though I'm not surprised that it's being used by the Kremlin.
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I spent an hour today trying to find a real source for this quote, often misattributed to Churchill. And failed. Found some sources saying it predates Churchill, but no direct references. Seems an adage that is quite old though.
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All you need to know in order to know that Ukraine was not responsible is Ukraine outright stating that they are not responsible.
Because if they were responsible, they'd be telling everyone in no uncertain terms that Moscow was not safe from Ukrainian reprisals and this was just a warning.
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One thing Ukraine has shown so far, is they aren't stupid. The last thing they would do anyway is attack civilians.
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Damnit i should be putting money on these things. Its all so predictable its almost funny (its not)
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Putin must be furious that so many russians were killed and wounded and they didn’t even try to take a village.
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The whole bit about the perpetrators fleeing to the Ukrainian border I actually kinda believe.
Not because ukraine was involved but its got to be the only border anyone can get through at the moment within easy distance from moscow.
Everyone else has shut their borders
Edit: yes I know its a war zone yes I know its monitored. I also believe that you can never fully secure a land border there will always be holes AND the scum who shoot up a concert hall are not exactly at the top of the IQ range when it comes to escape plans.
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Nah, I don't buy this story at all. Their car had Belarussian plates and that border is much closer and still open. I'd even argue that the UKR/RUS border is the worst place to cross with checkpoints, mines and drones everywhere. They would've been safer hiding out in a random village somewhere.
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Fleeing to Belarus might as well mean staying in Russia
Of course we will never know the truth I'm sure they will have unhappy accidents next to windows
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Assuming they (ISIS) have active members on the other side, and a corridor established, fleeing into Ukraine would be probably significantly safer - assuming Russian and Ukrainian internal security services aren't sharing intelligence and otherwise cooperating while they're engaged in a hot conflict.
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Crossing a warzone with both sides being trigger happy, covering the whole region with trenches, checkpoints, mines, drones and other troops. Yeah, totally logical choice.
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It's the world's most observed and mined border. The last place anyone on the run would go
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Small areas of russian land near the border is not controlled by russian army since March 12.
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Eeehh, you do understand that the border with Ukraine is a warzone wasteland where they'd first have to pass the actual russian army?
It makes the least sense of all
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Why people trust Russia to even have captured the attackers? They probably just stopped someone driving towards Ukraine and "these are the guys, pack them up"
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Source: Ukraine's Center for Countering Disinformation
Lol, trustworthy
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ISIS: “We did it”
Russia: “Liars”
Americans: “We told you this would happen”
Russia: “You didn’t tell us enough”
Americans: “Actually we were pretty specific”
ISIS: “Seriously though we did it.”
Russia: “No. It was Ukraine”
Even in their public warning they specified concerts specifically. I imagine the private warning to the Russian government was even more specific.
I pictured this as a Polandball strip.
!polandball@lemmy.world pleeeeeease!
What motives does ISIS have to attack Russia? If ISIS was doing it out of some Islamic purpose then they would have attacked Israel.
Instead they attack Iran and Russia?
If I understand it correctly, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Russian interference in Syria has been exceptionally devastating for Isis in the region.
You’ve been given some decent answers here so I just want to know what prompts a person to not believe this news.
So ISIS actually owns up to an attack and you want to doubt them and think nah, smells like Ukraine. Like why?
Isis is anti-Shia, considering them infidels, and has a long history of conflict with Iran, especially in Iraq and Syria. Islam isn't some coordinated power system, it's a complex, fractious religion with many internal and external conflicts.
Russia, too, has been involved in lots of conflict with ISIS, including in Syria and more recently supporting north African countries' conflicts against them as well.
https://www-aljazeera-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/3/23/moscow-concert-hall-attack-why-is-isil-targeting
You need motive and opportunity. There are not many opportunities to carry out attacks in Israel at present.
Maybe most people do not know about the relationship between the Russian Empire and Islam. Today, over 10% of the population is Muslim. When you think of soviet soldiers fighting Nazi Germany, you need to assume an even higher percentage of the conscripts being Muslim; state atheism notwithstanding. I know these things, and yet Islam is not something I intuitively associate with Russia.
During the European Middle Ages, vast areas of what is now in the south of the Russian Empire were converted to Islam. In later centuries, these areas were conquered by the expanding Russian Empire. It's not quite a happy relationship. You may have heard of the genocide of the Crimean Tatars, particularly under Stalin. During the Cold War, majority Muslim Turkey was the only NATO country to have a border with the Soviet Empire. Nuclear missiles were stationed at that border, until they were removed as part of the secret agreement that came out of the Cuba Crisis.
Afghanistan has a long border with the Russian Empire. In the 1980ies, the Soviet Union embarked on an ill-conceived intervention to aid an even more ill-conceived revolution in Afghanistan. After 10 years of war, the troops were pulled out. This was then followed by another decade of civil war, which may have been dying down leading up to 9/11.
When the Soviet Empire dissolved, many ethnic groups achieved independence. That was not always peaceful. The fighting in Afghanistan seems to have had a certain spillover effect. For whatever reason, the Russian Army fought to maintain imperial dominance over some of these territories. Chechnya was especially brutally fought over.
Multiple terror raids have taken place in the last 30 years.