Bell curve with no bell curve

Perhaps X.org should sue Elon Musk over the whole X thing. Then when they win the lawsuit, use the money to build an even better X.org that rivals Wayland.

They're already building that. It's called Wayland.
- Groundskeeper Willie meme
- Nah, they do the same errors of Xorg in reverse.
You know who is developing Wayland, right?
- IDK about that... regarding some of their decisions, it seems like a completely different dev team to me.

Wayland is maintained by the same people who made X.org. If you like X.org maybe you could volunteer your time to do maintenance on it. No one wants to touch a dead codebase.

Yeah, but they obviously missed a few key features of X.org.
- They're still working on it, and if it's been a while since you last checked they may have already implemented the ones you wanted.
- Like what? A broken protocol from 70 years ago?

wayland is great, unfortunately: nvidia

Imagine using a so called modern windowing system that doesn't even support custom degree tilted monitors

Who need fractional scaling when you can make a space useless tilted monitor setup lol

I can't find the documentation for it, but I swear Hyprland supports custom degree tilting.
Imagine using a so called modern protocol that leaves you unable to change a WM in a DE
Who needs xorg bloat when you can make compositor devs reimplement it instead and bloat their own codebase lol
- There isn't such thing as a WM under Wayland. There are only compositors which make up everything such as the WM, Effects compositor, io etc. To standardize things for smaller compositors things like wlroots exist. Creating a basic compositor using that is around 100 lines of code
Considering that there are infinitely scrolling compositors and non-rectangular compositors, I guess tilting a monitor should be a smaller problem.

I'll switch to Wayland once it becomes the default in the distro I happen to be using that month. Not before.

Ubuntu and Fedora both use it. Its just a matter of time.

As someone who was completely ignorant to x and wayland until recently, my only experience is my distro having a wayland and x combobox during login, and random things not working when I switch it to wayland. The only reason I know this option even exists is because wayland was on by default and random stuff didn't work. I'll happily switch to the new better tech once it stops breaking stuff like KDE Connect and random games.

I'm using GSConnect (a compatible reimplementation of KDE Connect for GNOME) on GNOME/Wayland and it works just fine
- Good for you
I use an app on my phone that lets me use it as a touchscreen and keyboard for my Linux media PC. I have no idea if it will ever (be able to) support Wayland.
- KDE Connect works on Wayland and can do all of that. Should definitely be technically possible.

Jesys. Way to butcher a meme template.

Switched to Wayland recently. Went to go play MechWarrior 5 with some friends and my mouse didn't work properly in the game. Switched back to Xorg. No more problems.

Are you on KDE?
- Yes I am. Why?

Wayland is one of those things you use once and then always use. (Assuming your not on Nvidia)

Assuming:
everything works (just check out this thread)
there is Wayland alternative for every xorg tool you need, and they haven't been abandoned after a month
your setup isn't impossible due to DEs becoming a monolithic mess
- X programs work fine under Xwayland for the most part
No good remote desktop's yet :(
- Anydesk works. Supposedly Rustdesk does as well, though I haven't tried it.
or you need synergy

Switch from gentoo to fedora recently and use wayland as the default with nvidia

Everythings works fine until i fire up some games. All the games have this weird screen flickering and screen tearing which render a black box and literally unplayable. Tried rebooting, upgrading, downgrading and no avail.

Then i tried to use Xorg and everythings fine.

Ita frustating tho

Nvidia doesn't work well with anything
This has been an issue since NVIDIA introduced alternating frames in the 545 driver. To fix this, explicit sync was recently merged into the Wayland protocol, now all it needs is the merge into Xwayland and the new NVIDIA driver that supports it, which is rumored to be released as a beta around May 15.
Until then, you either have to game on Xorg or use the 535 driver.
- Ill try downgrading the driver
  But currently im fine with xorg tho
  I just want to play my games lol
  Thats another reason i switch from gentoo to fedora. I do learned a lot from gentoo, but sometimes its just tiring to build everything and i just want something that works
  I've been daily driving gentoo for 2 years :D
If you're on KDE Plasma 6, there's an option to enable screen tearing in fullscreen applications, turning that on seems to have fixed a similar problem I had.
- I think fedora 39 does not have kde 6 yet
  But ill try to find that srtting in kde 5

Most of the issues people have mentioned with either only seem to exist on specific distros or only for a small number of people with weird configurations.

Also everyone says Nvidia and Wayland is bad but Nvidia on x was garbage last time I had an Nvidia card too. Among other issues, the GPU control panel was such a hot steaming point of sale and wouldn't save configs.

I love Wayland but I don’t love half my apps rendering as blurry when using my HiDPI screen. Wayland treating me good so far. I wanted to ride the poo poo on xorg train cause of Wayland’s snappiness and being modern but functionality is everything.

meanwhile me: wayland goes brrrr cause of ootb touchpad gestures on GNOME

Going brrr since 1984?

I have a small script to toggle the visibility of a window when I press a hotkey. Press once, it launches the app if it's not running, or unhides and raises the window if it is. Press again, it hides the window.

My distro recently switched KDE to Plasma 6 on Wayland, and of course the script stopped working. Researched how to make a Wayland equivalent. You can't. It's literally impossible to hide (or even minimize) windows from the command line.

The compositor will have to implement a CLI. Sway has an IPC socket and CLI just like i3 and I can use this to hide windows.
Untested partial solution that you may already have tried:
In the window manager's keyboard settings, create keybinds for raising and lowering windows.
Create a script that uses dotool, a third party tool which can send keyboard events and mouse movements, to call the previously configured keybinds.
Missing bit: Figuring out whether the window is raised or lowered to know which keybind to send.
The author of dotool says that they wrote it because ydotool (the alleged successor to xdotool, I assume), needs root and a background daemon. That said, the linked page seems to indicate that dotool also needs some permissions.
I'm not affiliated with either.

X.org will die when the last person stops using it 🤷 To each their own.

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Wayland sucks on Intel iGPUs, so I'll stick with good ol' X

Really? Which ones? I use it on my laptop with an intel gpu and it's always worked perfectly
- Yes, it works but it's super laggy, even the cursor lags. I don't know if they improved it
Intel GPUs work very well in my experience. I've used Wayland for almost 5 years
You sure your laptop isn't splitting graphics to an Nvidia DGPU? Usually it's flawless unless I'm using Ubuntu specifically
- My laptop does not have a DGPU

Now do systemd. It'll be easier since it has nothing but fanboys. It's like Apple vs Android.

The only people who care about systemd are those that don't use it
- Wrong. I don't use it, thus, don't actually care for it.
It's more in the realm of "everything needs it, or you'd have to "emulate" it" than "I really have no reason to love it, but I just do".