Gunmen in combat fatigues fire on Moscow concert hall crowds, killing and wounding several people
Gunmen in combat fatigues fire on Moscow concert hall crowds, killing and wounding several people
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ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attacks. My thoughts go out to the victims, their families, and the people of Russia. This is just terrible.
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It's plausible, considering Russia helped the USA in certain Middle Eastern
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Do you think groups like radical Islamic organizations only attack targets when they're associated with American actions...?
Russia has a long history of conflict with these types of groups, both internally (Caucuses) and externally (Syria, Afghanistan, etc.).
A history I might add, that predates American influence in the Middle East, much less the War on Terror.
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Russia is one of the primary actors in the Syrian civil war that originally spawned ISIS. This isn't a "but actually the US" thing, Russia has been balls deep in this shitshow from the start.
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Weird how ISIS never attacks Israel.
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And Russia is fucking around in Syria for years
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Of course, putin is not above killing russians if it benefits him. But russia has plenty of natural sources of potential extremist violence. As climate change and resource scarcity pile increasing pressure on individual humans and whole societies, events like this become more common.
Sometimes, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it might just be a duck.
Let's at least wait to see what putin does in response before we jump up and down shouting about putin's 1999 apartment bombings.
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There are persistent suspicions that he and his clique organized the terrorist bombings that catapulted him to power.
Not to mention what he did the last time people in a theater in Moscow were attacked. His actions(gassing the theather) killed 130 of the victims.
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Links for the uninitiated: 1999 Russian Apartment Bombings
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The wildest detail is ISIS' track record.
The largest attacks committed by ISIS recently (that aren't in Africa/Afghanistan, where ISIS is actively operating) have been: Pakistan, Iran, Russia.
Not exactly the US' friends. Meanwhile, Israel, which is literally committing a genocide against a Muslim population and desecrating the third holiest site in Islam, remains almost untouched. In fact, ISIS apologized when they accidentally attacked Israel in the Golan Heights.
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Interesting, sounds like Israel doesn't want to get involved in another conflict with ISIS and ISIS is flat out afraid of them.
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Western values on display once again. Reminder, that Vicky the witch promised for asymmetrical warfare and “nasty surprises. These are the surprises.
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This is a ridiculous accusation. The West had warned Russia and Russia chose to brush off the warning. ISIS has claimed responsibility. Face it, Putin is just trying to spread conspiracy theories to cover up his failure as a leader.
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His failure as a leader that has... just lead to an overwhelming reelection?
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In what way has Russia chosen to brush off the warning? Meanwhile, any proxy group can claim responsibility, the fact that you treat that as some sort of evidence says volumes. One of your regime's top ghouls went on TV and promised to conduct acts of terrorism in Russia. Now we're seeing acts of terrorism being conducted in Russia. These are the facts of the situation.
The fact that internet trolls are now trying to paint this as a conspiracy theory is just the repeat of the Nord Stream nonsense. Your regime is famous for doing precisely these sorts of attacks buddy.
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Western values on display once again.
This is a ridiculous accusation... ISIS has claimed responsibility
Not the contradiction you think it is
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So why would ISIS attack Russia? What is their motive? It's easy to "claim responsibility." It's an entirely different story to use a great deal of resources to actually plan and carry out a terrorist attack of this scale. And for what reason? To provoke another world powe?? I call bullshit.
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Provide evidence that this attack was commited by the west.
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If Nuland promising to do acts of terrorism in Russia isn't enough for you to put two and two together then there's no helping you.
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Allow me to point to the cognitive dissonance that should be occurring among the Gaza ceasefire types -
Examine your logic of "Government X is bad, therefore it's good when bad things happen to its civilians."
I'd suggest this way of thinking is flawed in both situations.
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If this thought was any more shallow it would evaporate.
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Examine your logic of "Government X is bad, therefore it's good when bad things happen to its civilians."
Read up on the inherent violence of settler-colonialism; settlers cannot be equated with civilians
I'd suggest this way of thinking is flawed in both situations.
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Way to downplay a literal genocide, jackass.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Russian news reports said that the assailants also used explosives, causing a massive blaze at the Crocus City Hall on the western edge of Moscow.
Video posted on social media showed huge plumes of black smoke rising over the building.
Russia’s state RIA Novosti news agency reported that at least three people in combat fatigues fired weapons.
Extended rounds of gunfire could be heard on multiple videos posted by Russian media and Telegram channels.
Another one showed a man inside the auditorium, saying the assailants set it on fire, with incessant gunshots ringing out in the background.
Andrei Vorobyov, the governor of the Moscow region, said he was heading to the area and set up a task force to deal with the damage.
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the Moscow mayor canceled all mass gatherings scheduled for the weekend
Things that make you go "hmmm"
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It's a prudent move in the wake of one attack to avoid presenting any obvious targets. Besides, it's not like the Russian government needs an excuse to shut down non-controlled opposition rallies.
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No doubt. But it's also good to keep in place for too long so people aren't allowed to protest.
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There was a warning by the US consulate about potential extremist attacks on roundabout the eighth. 
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People getting mowed down in a concert hall isn't anything close to a revolution
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Doesnt matter if its false flag or not. Pooptin is gonna use it as ammo against Ukraine.
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Or against the 20-ish percent who didn't vote for Putin.
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Or against the 20-ish percent who didn't vote for Putin.
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The best way to tell if it's a false flag operation is to see how much this event will be spread in the Russian media.
They've lost tons of equipment and had bombings deep in Russian territory, mostly affecting their oil production which could be perceived locally as Russian military inferiority.
So when this starts being on blast for every channel and frequency - you can be sure it's a false flag.
If they bury this like any other Russian military failing, then it's probably real.
Edit: ISIS claims responsibility, but Russia is still trying to blame Ukraine, which is kind of a false flag?
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So when this starts being on blast for every channel and frequency - you can be sure it's a false flag.
Maybe, maybe not.
Regardless of who is actually responsible, and regardless of who claims responsibility, it could be used as propaganda against pretty much anyone the Kremlin is grumpy about.
Navalney supporters or Ukraine are some pretty obvious potential scapegoats.
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Why doesn’t it seem like a false-flag? Who could benefit from this, politically, more than Putin? Remember the Reichstag fire.
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Wut. He’s already in power and just won another six year term.
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Nevermind the Reichstag, remember that the FSB and likely Putin were behind the bombing of four apartment blocks in Russia in 1999 that killed over 300 people. It got blamed on the Chechens and was used to justify the invasion of Chechnya.
This wouldn't even be the bloodiest false flag Putin has done in his career.
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Ah yes killing your own people surely benefits you politically. What a dumbass.
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Smells like a false flag to me. Why shoot up a public concert hall if your enemy is Putin and not the general public. Makes no sense.
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Those are just terrorists, like there have been before in Europe
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Because ISIS is more of a terrorist organization than a military organization?
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Why shoot up a public concert hall if your enemy is Putin and not the general public.
Why do any extremists - or russia, the US or israel for that matter - target violence towards civilians?
Maybe they believe the cause is worth it, the tactical calculus still comes out in their favour, or they just hate all russians? General destabilization? Forcing the state to devote more resources to protecting soft civilian infrastructure. Making people feel unsafe. Inspiring similar atrocities. The logic of tactically deploying murder isn't always clear to an outsider, especially before we have a firm idea who did this.
I strongly doubt this is an "honest-to-goodness sign of revolution". Shooting concert-goers is obviously not that. But I don't think it's logically sound to rule out an anti-putin motivation just because civilians were killed.
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Because a couple dudes with small arms can't be effective by attacking the Russian military or police forces head-on. Instead they choose to attack soft targets and maximize the social disruption and impact by terrorizing citizens.
I would normally say it seems like a convenient false flag if they could pin it on Ukraine or something, but it sounds like several sources have confirmed ISIS is claiming responsibility.
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ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attack.
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That means absolutely nothing, also ISIS is a puppet terrorist organization that the CIA operates.
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Hell is humanity. I'm convinced "good" is gone forever and evil leads and has been for awhile.
RIP.
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The US embassy in Russia also announced a warning a few weeks ago to avoid large gatherings like concerts in Moscow.
Not suspicious at all
They had intelligence saying an attack was being planned, and they informed Russia, who dismissed it as US propaganda.