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Trump's plan to end the Ukraine war is to totally cut off funding, says Putin's closest EU ally

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Trump "will not give a penny" more to Ukraine if he becomes president, Hungary's prime minister said.
That's how Trump plans to end the war, Viktor Orbán, who met Trump at Mar-a-Lago, said.
The Trump campaign has not said whether the pair discussed Ukraine during the visit.

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Lmao of course Putin's allies know trumps plans.
They are Putin's plans.
If we genuinely allow this man to run for president and evade jail time, we should genuinely start building guillotines.
- I don’t live in US but I’m immensely surprised he can still run for President with all the things going on with him.
  Thought by now he would’ve been sent to jail/prison.
  
  Unfortunately, a lot of our government is crooked as hell and Trump was basically able to put people that align with him into certain positions, such as two of the supreme justices that oversee very high profile cases such as the one where Trump argued presidents should have immunity from crimes done during presidency.
  Then you compound that with the actual literal fascist party that is the Republican party who only care about lining their pockets with money and being ok with corporations running things, and you get the shitshow that is the US today where citizens will actually support a fascist insurrectionist who clearly wants to align himself more with Russia and potentially even China, and says things such as “I will be a dictator for one day” and “the US should pull out of NATO”.
  I fear for this country and genuinely am glad I don’t live in the mainland USA - and I wouldn’t be too opposed to having my state go back to being a British Territory if Trump gets elected again.
  
  Unfortunately the US has basically been running on the polite fiction that people who want to be leaders will be good leaders and behave like rational human beings.
  So when someone who has no good intentions and is not rational got into power, we learned that a lot of things we thought of as laws were really just habits.
  And as much as it sucks, it’s actually sensible that trump can run until he’s been proven guilty. Otherwise a wannabe dictator could just drown the opposition in frivolous lawsuits and bar them from running because of the suspicion of crime.
  Don’t get me wrong, I think trump is guilty as sin and is a danger to our democracy. But, we need to be careful how we respond to this, or it could be worse when the next maniac gets into power and starts banning people from running because all of his opponents are suddenly under investigation for tax irregularities or littering.
  
  We are too.
- Lmao of course Putin's allies know trumps plans.
  To be fair, you could stop a random person on the streets of America of either major political party and ask them if Trump wins will he give any money to Ukraine and you won't get a single different answer.
  You don't exactly need an inside line to get this kind of hot tip.
To be more clear, if Trump manages to capture the presidency, I fully expect him to withdraw the US from NATO.
And the US leaving NATO would be absolutely, categorically, inarguably, and apocalyptically stupid.
- It was his intention to do this last time.
  
  He never intended to lose (or to be removed after rejecting a loss), so there was no rush
- Can Trump alone withdrawal us from NATO?
  
  No, which is why it didn’t happen in his first term. Lots of people threw sand in the gears to slow that effort down.
  It’s just that if he gets in again, he’s openly said he’s going to fire a shitload of people all over the government and replace them with Trump loyalists (regardless of whether or not it’s legal), so it will probably actually happen if he captures the presidency again.
  
  Nope, but he can fuck NATO over internally well enough.
- The money that runs this country wouldn’t stand for the level of disruption that’d cause to the ongoing grift to slow/stop. Same why we likely won't ever crash out on the deficit, the rating downgrade scared them so bad the Republicans made a deal ASAP last time
  What’s terrifying is if the money decides to go in and join in the ‘creative destruction’ via another Business Plot and co-opts authoritarianism
- I am not sure why people say that when Trump said, if they didn't honor their commitments, we would leave.
  Since the invasion, most countries have finally stepped up to pair their obligation. Funny how Trump was right.
  
  No he wasn't. His comments are a self fulfilling prophecy. If an alliance that is strong because they are united under the US umbrella has the potential leader of said alliance state he no longer feels he needs to back his allies.. they must.
  But:
  The 2% is a guideline not a rule
  They got to pay.. who? The defence industry.. it's not a membership fee.
  many countries where already investing more
  spending more on defense is not simple, procurement takes yeeeaaars.. so countries that started ramp up projects years ago are now in the position to actually spend more.
  The only time NATO needed to openly wage war was in defence of the US. So the commitment of the rest of NATO is fact, the US's isn't.
Yet another reason that odious orange toad should be denied a second term.
That's a great way to encourage Russian election interference in his favor
This Trump, Orban, Putin triangle makes me think of the TV series The Handmaid's Tale where the US slides into civil war and global isolation. Instead of the Sons Of Jacob you have Trump.
Seriously, if Trump is besties with Orban and he beats Biden to the Whitehouse the US is heading for very dark times.
- The entire World is in a dire position with climate change and all that. The USA turning inwards to settle it's culture war will have global ramifications. It's already happening
Should the title not be "Putin's ally Trump to end the Ukraine war is to totally cut off funding, says Putin's closes (hopefully soon out of the EU and NATO) ally"
Trump and the repubs are traitorous pieces of shit. I hope that orange turd has a massive heart attack as soon as possible, preferably before the election.
Slava Ukraini!
Anyone who thinks the war will be over when Ukraine falls is a gullible idiot. The Ruskis will march straight to Moldova after the takeover of Ukraine.
- Every non-NATO state on the border will be targeted and incorporated either directly or by being turned into a loyal authoritarian state a la Belarus.
  And if the US leaves NATO, that undermines confidence in NATO. The alliance will fall. At that point, either the EU will have to step in and supplant it -- in which case the US will no longer be even be PART of the mightiest diplomatic alliance in the world, much less influential in it -- or else there's no reason to think Russian aggression will stop endlessly escalating until all-out war between nuclear powers is on the table.
- No no no you don't understand. The war in the rest of Europe will be just beginning, but the war in Ukraine will be over.
his plan for COVID was just ignoring that problem as well.. i think he likes to hide from problems and so do all of his piggy supporters..
everyone knows it's time to invade Russia and give that regime the merciful death it's asking for
- As much as I'd like that regime to disappear, I wouldn't go so far as to invade Russia. Putin's nuclear sabre rattling is obviously bullshit when it comes to Ukraine, but backing them that far into the corner with an invasion is probably one of the few things that brings a real nuclear risk. I'd be more for the "measured" response of hunting down and eliminating any Russian assets found outside Russian borders, perpetually until the Russian people chose a leader who is capable of living in civilized society.
  
  the Russians talk a lot of shit, it's time to put up or shut up
Someone please just shoot Trump in the fucking face with a high-powered...camera. Please.
Infamy.
As the CIA Director pointed out, we need to give arms to Ukraine at the very least to get Russia to the negotiations table. Otherwise, all we are going to see is a lot of dead Ukrainians and Russians.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In comments made to Hungarian news outlet M1, Orbán said Trump has detailed plans on how to end the war, Reuters reported.
The Trump campaign's statement about the meeting between Trump and Orbán didn't mention Ukraine, saying only that the two men had discussed issues affecting their respective countries and the importance of strong border security.
The campaign did not immediately respond to Business Insider's request for comment, sent outside of working hours.
Pro-Trump Republicans in Congress have also vocally opposed further aid to Ukraine, sending a bill with $60 billion earmarked for the country into limbo.
He has also frequently expressed frustration with fellow NATO states and the scale of their contribution to collective defense.
Trump has suggested that, under his leadership, the US would refuse to come to the aid of fellow NATO states that have not met the threshold, even saying that he would encourage Russia to attack them.
The original article contains 403 words, the summary contains 152 words. Saved 62%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!
I mean, it's either that or more Ukrainians die.
There is no chance they can win without foreign troops on the ground.
- Given their genocide in Western Ukraine I'd say that letting Russia overrun the country will result in a lot of deaths.
- Lemmy.world is going to be really fucking surprised when the
  tankies in USA are fewer in numbers than these idiots expected.
  No one in their right mind thinks to abstain from voting to solve the looming threat of Christo-fascism.

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