Arm the Homeless

California wasn't anti-gun until the Black Panthers demonstrated that they too can legally own guns as American Citizens.

Remember folks, armed minorities are harder to oppress!

The idea actually has plenty of merit, on both sides - homeless people absolutely are in desperate need for tools of self defence, but also if anything has proven to get the NRA to support tighter gun control it's people they consider "undesirable" arming themselves.

I'm all for marginalised people being armed, but there is also no doubt that "gun culture" in the US is an entity of its own (evident not only by the numbers and kinds of guns owned compared to other countries, but also the sheer number of shootings that happen) that is running rampant and needs getting rid of.

Guns should be treated as the tool and a last resort they are, not the basis for someone's whole personality.

I think that if I were homeless, the first thing I'd do with a gun is sell it.
- Sure, if that worked for you, fine, but that doesn't mean other people wouldn't want to keep it. Being homeless is really fucking dangerous.
- Ya but eventually you'd have a flooded market and then you'd be better off just trying to eat the gun
Guns aren't self defense. They literally kill their owners more than aggressors by a large margin.
Giving people with nothing, struggling depression guns is just reckless assisted suicide
- They literally kill their owners more than aggressors by a large margin.
  Pretty sure razor blades have a larger margin, we should stop giving the homeless those in care packages.

Arm the homeless because they are the most at risk of being targeted for violence by fascist homeowners

"Those homeless people are lowering MY property values with their continued existence!
How can they be so selfish?!"
My oligarch owned Government, culture, and it's major media will never succeed in propagandizing me into the madness of putting property rights over human rights. America runs on schadenfreude, our values are beyond fucked.
- I agree with the sentiment but there is a bit more to the argument than property values. You can simultaneously hold the positions of, "I think society should do more to solve this problem," and, "I would really prefer to not have needles in my front yard."
  It's a difficult problem to solve, and we don't dedicate the resources or effort to solving it that are required.

Is there an actual group pushing for that? (I'm pretty sure I remember a decade or so back there being an arm the homeless group, that put out santa's etc... though didn't actually accept donations. (Their actual goal was common sense gun laws, and they knew the people who are pro-gun would argue strongly against it shooting their own pro-gun arguements in the foot).

#libertrians #armtheHomeless The homeless are one of the most at risk group to authoritarian violence including, but not limited to, police. There is at least one campaign in my region looking to collect firearms that you don't need anymore to donate them to the homeless.
- Lol yes, because armed resistance against the police always works out well... Legal or not...
- Crazy homeless folks in my area keep picking up felony gun possession charges so it's apparently not that hard to arm oneself.
A Libertarian candidate for the US Senate back in 2018 proposed giving shotguns to homeless people for self-defence.
- Wow, and it wasn't Vermin Supreme

Guns for the homeless, finally a charity is be willing to donate to.

Maybe we shouldn't try to advocate for restricting access to guns when we have a rising fascist threat.

We don't need another Beto O'Rourke. We need to win elections and defeat fascism.

Probably going to need a lot more than guns from Bass Pro Shop and Walmart if the fascists have the world’s largest military under their control.
- Try telling that to the Vietcong.
We need to win elections and defeat fascism.
Laughs in all of history
- Thats why we shouldn't ban guns. Just in case of those scenarios.
If you think a gun will help against fascism you've watched to many movies. Whatever side the military is on is the side that wins
What's wrong with Beto?
- This speech: https://youtu.be/QR4mNrW0AlE
  Instead of saying "We need universal background checks" he said "Hell yes, we're going to take your guns"
  In Texas, a state with a strong gun culture. 🤦‍♂️ He lost the gubernatorial election.
  His chances weren't that great to begin with, that was one of the many speeches that solidified his defeat.
  Why not focus your compaign on healthcare, minimum wage, workers rights, so many issues that appeals to everyone. Nope, he handed the election to a fascist.
Actually advocating for looser gun laws makes you the real fascist here
- Bud I'm begging you to look up how the nazis treated guns.
  I'll give you the simplified answer: ban guns for minorities, arm their supporters.
  If you remember this, it explains how Democrats and Republicans are part of the same agenda on guns.

Given all the crime committed by the homeless and violence within encampments, this seems like a horrifyingly terribly idea

While there is some utility aded by this for some of the recipients, can you seriously tell me that a positive impact would be ubiquitous?

The data often suggests that gun related incidents increase and are correlated to density of guns. By adding more, you're kindling the fire.

Bigger cloud, more rain.

Gini coefficient (aka income inequality) is far more closely correlated to gun violence than gun ownership is. Pushing for more/stonger unions, socializing healthcare, building walkable cities, and spending more on education would do far more to reduce gun violence while improving people's lives dramatically
- So the homeless are the absolute last group that should get guns

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