If Biden loses in November, don’t blame voters who are angry over Gaza | Arwa Mahdawi
If Biden loses in November, don’t blame voters who are angry over Gaza | Arwa Mahdawi
"I’ll put my cards on the table: I’m a permanent resident of the US which means I’m not allowed to vote."
Then you can STFU and sit down. You want to be able to vote? Get your citizenship. My daughter-in-law JUST did. This will be her first election. She's not going to do anything that supports a Trump win.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/us/politics/trump-travel-ban.html
Hint - She's from one of these countries.
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I'll blame each and every eligible person who didn't show up to vote for him, regardless of what their excuse is. This isn't the time to be playing around.
Looks like the US is going to get some tough love.
Turns out you can't just fund, supply and cast UN vetoes in support of the genocide of an entire people and still get unconditional support at the ballot box, whoda thunkit.
And yes, the consequences are going to be hideous.
I guess you should have thought of that, what with everyone telling you over and over and over.
Cabin in the Woods moment, and you brought it on yourselves.
Does this mean that the victims of the next genocide the democrats preside over can blame you for supporting the last one unconditionally?
When is the time to be 'playing around?' Your phrase gets repeated every single election meaning you're doing nothing more than reinforcing the status quo.
This is the behavior of sycophants and rivals that of the MAGA base. "Shut up, don't criticize, and mindlessly vote for my guy, or it's the end of the world as we know it!"
The primary. A general election in which a fascist like Donald Trump isn't the only other viable option.
Like it or not, we have a two party system. Either Biden's going to be the next president, or Trump is. When it comes to the general election, if you do anything besides voting for Biden, you're complicit in electing Trump.
But you won't blame the Biden administration for disregarding the wishes of their constituents?
Do you (or anyone who thinks not voting for Biden is a smart thing) think that Trump would do anything differently? Because those are the two choices. If you don't vote for Biden then you are either voting for Trump or helping Trump by taking away votes from Biden... unless you live in a blue or red state where your vote doesn't matter anyway.
I do blame Biden for how he is handling this situation. However, I am smart enough to understand that there is more than one situation that a president has to handle while in office. For the most part, Biden has honored the wishes of me as a constituent. If the only thing you care about in life is how the President of the US handles a conflict on the other side of the world, as opposed to the US economy, civil rights in the US, US Supreme Court justices, US circuit court judges, environmental policy in the US, etc., then that is your right as a voter. I hate what is going on over in Gaza (and the region in general), but I also care about is going on in the country I live in.
Versus someone who would be even worse for Palestinians and Americans? No, I won't blame Biden if people let Trump in over the issue of Palestine. Because it means they were fast asleep between 2016 and 2020.
Protecting the White House from Trump is more important than anything else going on in the World.
The top of the wishlist of any reasonable and rational American should be, "Don't permit a fascist demagogue to become a petty tyrant." Biden fulfills that order handily, and if that's not enough for someone to get them to vote for him, then the blame lies with that voter.
Or the Democratic establishment rigging a primary in 2020, and then forgoing one in 2024, to have one of the least democratic races of all time?
If this was an election in Turkey, the US would be imposing sanctions.
No, I will blame them. Make your threats to Biden all you want, put all the pressure on him to stop supporting the genocide, absolutely. But come election day if you don't realize that Biden, even as is, is still a far, far better option than Trump, then yes anyone staying home over this is absolutely partially to blame.
As a non American I thank you for the chance to have more Trump, you fucking morons. 😕
As a non American I thank you for the chance to have more Trump, you fucking morons. 😕
Biden should consider campaigning then. If this election is so important, maybe we need a more effective candidate?
Biden could literally not say another word the rest of the year and still be the smarter choice than letting Trump in.
Do I wish he was 30 years younger and more active? Of course. I wish a lot of things. That doesn't change that democracy is literally on the line and I'd vote for a corpse to keep Republicans out of office.
You mean like Monday when he was on Seth Meyers and showed he was actually pretty mentally sharp?
I don't love Biden. I wouldn't have voted for him if he wasn't the front runner last time, and he's clearly too old, but he at least sounded competent. And was coming with stuff off-the-cuff pretty quickly. To be honest, it surprised me.
Nothing short of complete annihilation of it's current incarnation will fix the political system in America. That being said you realistically have 2 choices. Bad, and worse. Choose wisely.
Filmmaker and Michigan native Michael Moore agreed that Biden’s stance on the ongoing slaughter in Gaza could easily cost him the state, and in turn, the entire election. In a recent interview with CNN’s Abby Phillip, Moore said “I’ve been saying this month that he’s going to cost himself the election. …If Trump has any chance, it’s the decision that [Biden’s] made to embrace slaughter, carpet bombing, babies in incubators dead because they cut off the electricity, on and on and on.”
Inb4 Michael fucking Moore gets accused of being a conservative. You know it's going to happen.
Michael Moore has been an idiot for a long time.
Was he right about Trump in 2016 or not?
Dumb gotta dumb. They're willing to burn their country to the ground for something happening in another country. Under any other time, I'd be ok with it, but trump is an existential threat to everything the country stands for and will bathe in it's smouldering ashes. Reap what you fucking sow.
We all know how devastating a second Trump term would be. It’s also important to understand the damage that Biden is doing by funding a plausible genocide
"That's a nice country you've got there. Be a shame if something happened to it..."
I will absolutely blame the voters, because it'd literally be their fault. That's how elections work.
Well, there are also Belarussian elections.
This whole thing is so depressing. Not Gaza, which is a tragedy, but the conversation around it. People who have family members starving and dying right now are upset, and there is zero empathy for them. Just anger directed at them by people who are (or were) ostensibly on their side.
I will not be commenting further in this thread because it belongs in !politics and I'm out of antidepressants but not booze.
It's difficult. On one hand, it is a fucking atrocity, and it's hard to blame people for being upset that someone with the power to at least lessen the harm, isn't.
But on the other hand, ensuring the greater evil gets in does nothing. No Palestinians are saved by a Trump presidency - and it's very likely that MORE will die compared to a Biden administration, considering Trump's all-in attitude with Netanyahu. Not only are no Palestinians saved, but many Ukrainians, Americans, and Taiwanese will likely suffer and die in not inconsiderable numbers directly due to a Trump presidency.
As such, it's difficult to look at someone grieving and saying "Everyone's throat should be cut, not just my son's!" and react with sympathy when that has very real effects on whether or not everyone's throat gets cut.
(Breaking my word but only because you're cool)
If your family members are going to be shot on your dime, I don't blame people for checking out entirely or even pushing for collapse. They're basically powerless in our political system, and when they exercise what little influence they have to stop their families from being massacred, they're treated like shit.
And now it's time to drink and pet my kitty because I hate this fucking system so goddamn much.
I guess at the basic level Biden must think the pro Israel vote is bigger than the gaza vote?
I mean,
If Obama's handling of Guantanamo not closing and the drone striking of Somalia and Yemen didn't stop his second term.
I can't see how Gaza's situation will affect Biden's.
Truth is, most of your population doesn't even pay attention to the details of news, unless it's something to do with Kardashian's or Taylor Swift.
There is a significant Muslim population in Michigan that is paying attention. Michigan is a swing state, if Biden loses it he probably loses the election.
Good luck with Trump, the defender of the Islamic people and totally not going to bomb them trust him Bigley
That's centrist copium really. This shit is making the news everywhere and it's turning young voters against him. There are 10 years' worth of voters today who weren't eligible 10 years ago and most of them (especially if you only count democrats) are not happy about what's going on. This is to say nothing of the Muslim voters who are destroying Biden's chances in multiple swing states.
Statistically, your one vote is as meaningful whether you vote for a major party or a third party.
You don't vote to get your preferred candidate in. You vote to pull the one that might closer to where you want them.
Voting for Biden is voting for a genocide, whether you want it to be or not. Assuming Biden gets in, all you've done is tell the DNC that their voter base actually don't care all that much about genocide.
anyone who doesn't vote for Joe or someone like him is the same brand of selfish and stupid, and you can all eat shit
Do they think Trump would be better than Biden when it comes to Palestinians? The Trump that moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem to signal that it was an Israeli city?