Rashida Tlaib and 'uncommitted' voters just delivered a major rebuke to Biden over Israel — and it could make him lose Michigan to Trump in 2024
Rashida Tlaib and 'uncommitted' voters just delivered a major rebuke to Biden over Israel — and it could make him lose Michigan to Trump in 2024
Make no mistake. His stance on Israel could make him lose.
He's still got my vote...
The alternative is Trump and the end of democracy in our nation. If you're not terrified of Trump winning in November, you either haven't been paying attention or you're a moron.
Vote Biden. Not because you agree or disagree with his war policies or think he's been a good or bad president. Vote because the alternative is so much worse. Vote because we literally have Nazis schmoozing publicly with the other party like it's no big deal! Vote because you don't want an actual rapist in office! Vote because you want to be able to vote again in 4 years. Vote because you want your children to grow up in a nation that's still free.
Just fucking vote!
Which is insane given that the man to whom he'd lose would be far worse for Palestineans...
The only way it makes sense is if the people who'd not vote over Israel don't actually care about Palestineans so much as being on the "right"/socially cool side of the issue. Otherwise not voting for Biden over trump because of Israel is like refusing to ride home with your friend because they had a beer and instead hopping in the car with the guy who was slamming tequila all night.
It seems very much to me like people trying to keep some ideal of purity for themselves, and if someone who unironically says, "genocide Joe" would care to correct me I'm listening, but it's unclear how letting the guy who changed the us stance on settlements being unlawful to being totally cool win because of your unwillingness to recognize that this world is actively on fire, and we have to live with whatever future we steer to regardless.
"If you decide not to decide, you still have made a choice."
The only way it makes sense is if the people who'd not vote over Israel don't actually care about Palestineans so much as being on the "right"/socially cool side of the issue.
This is it. Politics is messy, and people don't want to get their hands dirty making a hard choice.
The only way it makes sense is if the people who’d not vote over Israel don’t actually care about Palestineans so much as being on the “right”/socially cool side of the issue.
This statement is incredibly disrespectful to the people who are currently losing relatives in the 10s and 100s due to Biden's actions. Like hell they're not in this to be on the socially cool side of an issue shut the fuck up.
Yep.
Billionaires own the media, and billionaires really really really want to make sure the furthest left America goes is neoliberals.
So anything that isn't 100% Biden gets shouted down as undemocratic, which is so hypocritical it almost breaks my brain.
Biden is a bad candidate, and ignoring it and running him anyways it what may allow trump to win.
If trump wins, billionaires are fine. If Biden wins, they're still fine.
The only way they lose is if instead of Biden there's someone who's platform matches what Dem voters want.
The problem is anti-Biden proponents never provide a viable candidate who can beat both Trump and Biden in November when asked to do so.
Whinge about Biden all you want, but unless an alternative is provided, it's shouting into the void at best and helping Trump at worst.
I support what Michigan did, and I hope Biden gets the message, but I also hope they're not so far up their own asses that they forget that handing the presidency to Trump in November won't actually solve the problem of genocide and will likely bring along other human rights violations.
True, just another reason that could make him lose in 2024.
ITT: pro-genocide centrists making excuses for ignoring the results.
They always shift right when it's an election year and you don't fall in line. I call it the "we don't need you" strategy. They did it to Bernie supporters too.
ignoring what results?
biden beat uncommitted 6 to 1.
uncommitted finished slightly higher than what uncommitted normally runs.
what you have in this thread are people trying to convince themselves that barely getting more of a percentage of the vote that uncommitted normally gets is a huge statement because a lot of people voted for their issue, while totally ignoring the number of people who voted overall and the other reasons why people would vote uncommitted.
Like so.
in 2012 uncommitted got 11% of the vote against actual human being running for reelection barack obama.
as of this moment uncommitted is. getting just under 15%. the other actual human being running for the dem nomination has barely under 3%.
unless all of those uncommitted voters don't vote for biden in november I don't see biden in any trouble, especially if those uncommitted democratic voters are made up by by around 30% of haley voters.
what this does tell me is that there is a major bias against biden in the media, as if they are actively reporting the news to make it seem like biden has some major electoral issues when a) trump has even bigger issues than biden and b) the numbers are simply not telling that story.
They haven't counted the Arab American counties yet. Dearborn is showing unofficially 75% uncommitted per CNN.
last report I saw via msnbc was dearborn at 56%. but even if it was 75%, it's still not enough of a margin to really be an election concern at this point for the state overall, especially since you don't know how many haley voters would vote biden.
make note of the result and do your best to resolve that issue but it's not a 5 alarm fire. that's the most muslim and specifically palestinian area of the country by far. the congressional district might get a few delegates out of this so it's going to be heard at the convention. but if that's going to be the extent of the discontent I don't think biden has to really be worried nationally.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
President Joe Biden may have handily won the Michigan Democratic primary on Tuesday, but the results came with a significant warning sign for his continued support for Israel.
It's largely the result of the "Listen to Michigan" campaign, an effort to get voters to withhold support for Biden until Israel enacts a permanent cease-fire in Gaza.
The campaign has been led by Layla Elabed, a Michigan activist and the younger sister of Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib, the only Palestinian American member of Congress.
The results illustrate the unique challenges that Biden faces in the crucial battleground state amid the war in Gaza, where almost 30,000 Palestinians have been killed since the October 7 Hamas attacks.
Tens of thousands of Muslim-Americans and Arab-Americans live in Dearborn and metropolitan Detroit, including some whose family members have been killed in recent months.
In 2012, when President Barack Obama faced a non-competitive reelection and there was no organized effort to push voters to cast uncommitted ballots, 20,833 did so anyway, accounting for 10.7% of the vote.
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"Uncommitted" is at about 15% now vs 10.7% the last time someone (Obama) ran unopposed, but most votes haven't been counted yet. I would have waited until the counting is over before talking about major rebukes.
The largest Arab American counties are showing 4% counted.
The campaign's target was 10,000 voters, because that's how many votes Clinton lost Michigan by in 2016. It's already way over that.
There would have been well over 10,000 even with no campaign at all.
We went back and looked at Michigan Secretary of State data to see how many uncommitted votes have been cast for each party in the past presidential primary elections.
For Democrats, the numbers were:
2012: 20,833
2016: 21,601
2020: 19,106
Shhh you’re fuckin up the narrative
"I was proud today to walk in, and pull a Democratic ballot, and vote 'uncommited,'" Tlaib said in a video message on Tuesday. "President Biden is not listening to us. This is the way we can use our democracy to say: listen. Listen to Michigan."
"President Biden has funded the bombs falling on the family members of people right here in Michigan," Elabed said in a statement on Monday. "Thousands of Michigan Democrats who voted for Biden in 2020 now feel completely betrayed."
It remains unclear how many of the "uncommitted" voters will continue to withhold their support in the general election, but organizers have argued that it's on Biden to earn their support — and they say it won't be their fault if Biden ends up losing Michigan to former President Donald Trump in the general election.
Ahead of the Tuesday primary, officials with the Biden campaign had pointed out that around 20,000 voters have opted to select "uncommitted" in recent presidential primary elections — though the circumstances have varied.
"Uncommitted" accounted for less than 2% of the vote in recent competitive primaries, including 19,106 uncommitted voters in 2020, and 21,601 in 2016.
Four years earlier, when Obama did not appear on the ballot, many of his supporters cast uncommitted votes over his opponent Hillary Clinton, leading to 238,168 votes that accounted for roughly 40% of the electorate.
There is zero reason Biden is still running. There is zero reason the DNC and a country of Dems couldn't find anyone else to replace him with. Campaign money to DNC, greed and corruption.
There isn't a single patriot in the entire national Democratic body that cares about the future of this country.
Biden gets 80% of the vote in the Michigan primary.
Trump gets 66% of the vote in the Michigan primary.
Media: Major rebuke to Biden! It could make him lose Michigan in the general!
And I bet most of those who voted against Biden would vote for Biden because it's about democracy.
You're mixing up the Democratic and Republican primaries. Trump was running against Haley whereas Biden was unopposed.
So Biden supporters had even less reason to show up and vote for him than Trump supporters. Thus underestimating Biden support.
They're muddying the waters.
Look at this asshole commenter here... making Dean Phillips cry. What a meanie!
Not sure what the percentages of the separate ballots have to do with this. Do you think the same amount of people voted in the democrat and republican primaries?
Uncommitted gets 65,000 votes in the Michigan Democratic primary.
Nikki Haley gets 200,000 votes in the Michigan Republican primary.
Media: Major rebuke to Biden! It could make him lose Michigan in the general!