Allies fear the US is becoming less reliable, with growing concern over a possible Trump return
Allies fear the US is becoming less reliable, with growing concern over a possible Trump return
Of all the things libs think is a sales pitch to vote for Biden "you have to vote for Biden or America's global influence will decrease and other countries will realize were an unreliable and antagonistic ally" is probably their worst
Europeans realizing they're not America's core interest after spending two years talking up a war with Russia is never going to stop being hilarious.
I mean under Biden the US bombed Nordstream and is attempting to vassalise the EU through the Ukraine war. I don't think the president matters that much, the US will continue to act in its own interests regardless of who the president is
I think U.S. allies had long since internalized that they would occasionally have to eat shit from the U.S. The bargain was a place as a vassal state instead of a target, and if those are your choices being a vassal state has a lot of appeal. The occasional overt screwjob is much less damaging than a constant destabilization effort.
The deal will continue to get worse under any U.S. president, but what they seem to be getting at here is the possibility of it getting torn up altogether, opening the door for more direct U.S. hostility. As long as they support NATO they aren't likely to be the target of a coup like the 2014 one in Ukraine, but what if NATO is gone?
Trump isn't going to be allowed to unilaterally withdraw from NATO on a whim, but he could do a lot of damage to it, and he can rile up the reactionary hogs against it, which would at least lay the groundwork for a still more impactful change.
Europe has been a vassal since 1945. How do you vassalise your vassal?
EU suggested forming an EU army as early as the 1950s! USA was against the EU forming its own integrated military. So was, not a member yet, Britain, historically always scared of a too united continental neighbour. Instead, the Anglo-Saxons basically forced the young EU-predecessors to rely on NATO instead of forming their own big military defence force. How the tables turn.
"Becoming" less reliable.
As if it even matters which shitty imperialist party is in power lol
Only one of them wants to actively kill my queer friends, so yeah, it matters.
No queer friends in Palestine, I'm guessing. But even if only people in the US deserve life, Biden isn't doing anything to stop LGBQT rights from being dismantled. It will get worse even if Biden wins a second term. If Democrats didn't codify Roe v. Wade when they had the chance, why do you think they will do anything concrete to protect them, when they can use their fear to scare them into voting for them.
Both of them want to actively kill Palestinians, including its queer population. "The lesser evil" one is currently bypassing congress to do so
Sounding alot like this rn
Biden only passively wants to kill us and is willing to look the other way when states do it, youre right.
Geopolitics is actually one of those examples where it does matter quite a lot. All the planning world leaders does gets thrown out the window when someone new comes on to the stage. For example I don't think anyone could have predicted America being nice to NK under Trump.
It matters hugely even internationally. If you're female it would I'm guessing based on the fact that want to ban abortions. As a guy, I wouldn't want to be forced to be stuck with a kid.
Are you not paying attention? I'm Australian, and the difference is totally night and day.
It absolutely seems to matter.
For the first one, it'd be great if the US actually let NATO destroy itself, but that's just rhetoric to get Russia to ally with the US against China; like they allied with China against the USSR in the Cold War. Unfortunately the US would never truly antagonize NATO; Trump would just be assassinated and replaced like JFK was for wanting to abolish the CIA.
For the second... you're currently watching a zionazi president bypassing congress to hasten the Palestinian genocide.
it matters. one is an accelerationist the other is a conservative of the status quo. neither are going to improve anything but one will try his most to destroy any confidence.
Biden? I think committing a fucking genocide against a native population (even bypassing congress to do so) and supporting a fascist government is "becoming more and more fascist" enough.
The two-party system is just the two sides of the US's imperialism coin. Anyone elected through it showing even the slightest hint of anti-imperialist sentiment (like JFK for wanting to abolish the CIA and giving an anti-colonial speech) is gotten rid of and replaced.
Like all capitalist political systems, it is specifically designed to prevent leftward movement; that can only happen by organizing outside the system.
Allies fear the US is becoming less reliable, with growing concern over a possible Trump return
Oh it doesn't matter man, Trump, Biden's draugr, Kamala, not important. This goose is cooked and you're all cooked with it if you don't sever ties. We saw what happened to Europe's oil, energy and manufacturing sector with just a couple well-placed underwater bombs. The American bourgeois state will eat all of it's "allies" like Saturn and his children if it means staving off profit collapse for one more quarter .
The first Trump administration stress-tested the bonds between the U.S. and its allies, particularly in Europe. Trump derided the leaders of some friendly nations, including Germany’s Angela Merkel and Britain’s Theresa May, while praising authoritarians such as Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Russian leader Vladimir Putin. He has called China’s Xi Jinping “brilliant” and Hungary’s Viktor Orbán “a great leader.”
This is so stupid. Trump was the one who started a trade war with China. Him praising Xi doesn't mean shit.
Secondly, despite claiming to be anti-west, Erdogan and Orban are both pro-West allies and will fall in line under pressure. Both countries are NATO members too btw. Why is such a democratic organization like NATO having "authoritarian" countries as members?
Also why is there no mention of Modi? Both Biden and Trump have been more than friendly with him.
Trump's Israel policy is no different. He is more belligerent towards Iran.
In campaign speeches, Trump remains skeptical of organizations such as NATO, often lamenting the billions the U.S. spends on the military alliance whose support has been critical to Ukraine’s fight against Russia’s invasion.
Rhetoric and actions are entirely different. Trump knows very well that Ukraine War is ultimately beneficial for the U.S. and the MIC.
Another thing to keep in mind, U.S. is NATO, without the U.S there is no NATO.
He warned: “We must realize that the EU cannot be an economic and civilizational giant and a dwarf when it comes to defense, because the world has changed.”
That has been the status of Europe since end of cold war, a puppet of American capitalism, nothing more. And nothing will change unless there is a socialist revolution or something.
Rhetoric and actions are entirely different
Yes, but libs can't tell a difference. They don't even need different rhetoric, just tone usually.
Wait what now? Trump knows something about foreign policy? Not a chance, bub. Trump doesn't know squat. Other than being an effective distraction from his handlers so the ones actually pulling the strings can stay out of the public's general awareness. But, then again, he's stupid enough to think he matters, so I doubt he even realizes he has handlers.
Trump doesn't do strategy. Period. He's dumber than a stack of bricks, and you know it. So, no, there is absolutely no ulterior motive. There is no plan. He has no ability to think ahead. He has never had to take any actual responsibility, and is therefore utterly incapable of anything other rash impulsive stupidity.
Giving that loser any credit just makes you sound like a complete idiot. Just don't. Please.
yanks have never been reliable allies, just ask the people they left in Afganistan as one of the more recent examples
The Euros are convinced that
will come through and spare them. It will be interesting watching them realize that's not quite the case.Why the heck and when was the United States considered reliable?
Reliable in what context?
Oh I see defensively reliable.
It might not make a lot of sense to overwhelmingly rely your national defense on a partner separated by an ocean.
I'm glad the EU is taking more responsibility for their own defense, and I'm also surprised to see so many European leaders acting surprised that they should have to, or the idea of a European defense as a novel idea.
The US was considered reliable because, until Trump, both parties had identical foreign policy.
And had credible defense too.
Which is actually a bad thing, because it doesn't give voters a choice.
No they didn't.
At least, I can't think of examples of democrats and Republicans having similar foreign policy, outlook strategy or execution.
You mean specifically in the interests of defending Europe?
EU was basically following US orders to be a vassal under the big military umbrella of the USA and join NATO instead of forming their own strong military. It only started shifting after 9/11. The 2% rule was only introduced in 2014. The 60 years before, USA and Britain were rather pleased certain EU members were not building big armies, it implied promise of peace within...
It's going to be this way every election, ain't it? Basically two year election cycle of Trump once again running, all the fears of him winning, then he looses, and we get next 4 years of him talking shit and "raising concerns".
It's not about Trump (the dude may not even live much longer, he looks awful).
It's about all the people who support his values and way of thinking and use him as a distraction while they erode democratic rights and processes. America is undergoing a tremendous divide which may lead to the federation coming apart and individual states breaking away. That's what's worrying the rest of us, not the POTUS making a fool of himself on TV.
I really don't see him running in 2028. I don't think his health/Republican money would both line up and support that
Canada has straight up said we have a doomsday plan if the US goes really wonky.
Which one? Defence Scheme 1?
No, way more recent, and not public yet, for obvious reasons.
Link to an article.
Do we have a doomsday plan if a fascist becomes prime minister like Pierre Poilievre?
Sadly I'm bracing for what I think is the coming Trump/Poilievre combo.
I see him as more of an opportunist catering to fascists. But no, if the call is coming from inside the house, it's a much bigger problem.
The world's been a scary place for people under Biden.
I'm not saying correlation is causation but it can feel that way, people might long for the more secure past time under Trump.
Delusional
you sure are
When can I, an international with an interest in the US election, commit money to a political party? Or do I need to be a corporation?
Just apply to open a LLC in a business friendly city online. Now you can funnel money to our politicians legaly from anywhere in the world.
If I had the money I will support Cornel West, but I guess he's too good for the US
You could just bet on the election.
If you want to waste your money a more efficient route is flushing it down your toilet
Citizens think it's becoming unreliable regardless of who's president.
Welp, time for Europe to start making nukes again. What could possibly go wrong?
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they can't wait to give them to ukrainian nazis et al like they gave them to
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That's the plan..
This is the best summary I could come up with:
With a divided electorate and gridlock in Congress, the next American president could easily become consumed by manifold challenges at home — before even beginning to address flashpoints around the world, from Ukraine to the Middle East.
In campaign speeches, Trump remains skeptical of organizations such as NATO, often lamenting the billions the U.S. spends on the military alliance whose support has been critical to Ukraine’s fight against Russia’s invasion.
Politics at University College London, said that whoever wins the presidential race, the direction of travel will be the same – toward a multipolar planet in which the United States is no longer “the indisputable world superpower.”
Germany is the second-largest donor of military aid to Kyiv, behind the U.S., but Scholz recently told German weekly Die Zeit that the country couldn’t fill any gap on its own if “the U.S.A. ceased to be a supporter.”
China, where leaders’ initial warmth toward Trump soured into tit-for-tat tariffs and rising tensions, little changed under Biden, who continued his predecessor’s tough stance toward the United States’ strategic rival.
Associated Press writers Jiwon Song in Seoul, South Korea, Kirsten Grieshaber in Berlin, Dasha Litvinova in Tallinn, Estonia, Suzan Fraser in Ankara, Turkey, Nomaan Merchant in Washington, and Jill Colvin and Michelle Price in New York contributed to this story.
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As somebody who lives in a country that spends over the NATO agreed 2%, and for whom Russia is very threatening, I'm not entirely unhappy about what Trump is saying about European defence. We do need to put in more effort. Another thing is what he'll actual do.
Wow, which region of Russian-speakers is your country's armed forces bombing? Because that's what it takes for Russia to be """threatening""".
i dunno about finland, but the baltics seem like they're a single bad morning's commute from shelling their russian minorities... just the vibe i'm gettings...
It seems wanting to join NATO is enough for Russia to be threatening, if they consider one's country to be in Russia's sphere of influence. See for instance Georgia (2008) and indeed Ukraine (2014/2022).
goddamn man it's actually so fucking stupid to be fearful of Russia in Finland.
Yes, Russia, the state still grinding it out in Ukraine 2 years down the line, is suddenly going to invade Finland and trigger a war with the entire western world so they can uhhhhh steal Finland's lovely lakes. You piss me off
Finland has been in NATO for less than a year. Before that we had a war in which USSR tried to take over the whole country and after failing at that, hovered over us for 50 years before collapsing.
But if you're saying that we shouldn't anymore be afraid of them now that we're in NATO, perhaps you're right. We'll still need to be cognizant of the fact that Russia is our only potential enemy on this planet.
I didn’t expect the state propaganda campaign to convince their people to accept welfare cuts and to embrace austerity to work this well.
I don't know about propaganda, but sometimes reality can be motivating. Here's one piece of it: https://yle.fi/a/74-20050548
Not sure if the current government is doing a good job with tackling this, though. Somehow even with the frugality they're claiming they're doing (pretty minimal actions really), the loan amounts are still growing. But these things don't change fast.
Comrades, I sincerely apologize for any psychic damage taken from being exposed to my fellow countryman's takes
imagine not knowing that the wrong side won the civil war
We should really have a great firewall to keep all of us inside it, the psychic damage a single fucking finn can inflict on the internet is insane
smol bean finland never done did no wrong uwu, is not like we were sucking the boot of the nazis even before they took over germany no no no, evil commies bad owo
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Kissinger's more of an egoist of image than a realist about it
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With your crinkly hair and your glassy stare
And your machiavellian schemes
I know they say that you are very vain
And short and fat and pushy but at least you're not insane
Henry Kissinger
How I'm missing yer
And wishing you were here
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With your funny clothes and your squishy nose
You're like a German parakeet
All right so people say that you don't care
But you've got nicer legs than Hitler
And bigger tits than Cher
Henry Kissinger
How I'm missing yer
And wishing you were here