‘How to greenwash’: propane industry tries to rebrand fuel as renewable
‘How to greenwash’: propane industry tries to rebrand fuel as renewable
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‘How to greenwash’: propane industry tries to rebrand fuel as renewable
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I mean... Technically fossil fuels are renewable.... They're just renewing at a VERY slow pace
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I learned recently coal is not renewable at all. We will never get more coal. Coal exists from a period of time when trees had cellulose but bacteria had no means of breaking down cellulose.
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This scam is already 20 years old, starting with George W. Bush’s 2000 election campaign platform of a “hydrogen economy.”
CleanTechnica: The Hydrogen Fuel Cell Scam — From George W. Bush & “The Big 3” To Toyota, Honda, & Japan
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He also popularized the phrasing "climate change" in his speeches which was an idea from republican political strategist Frank Luntz.
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Those people are Tesla fanboys and investors. They are blatantly lying about competitive threats to BEVs. In reality, they have become a type of climate change denier. For them, the only "solutions" that can exist are the ones that make them money, and all the others must be stopped.
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Propane is profane.
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Hank Hill in shambles
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Just be aware, hydrogen in almost all its presented formats is basically natural gas. 96% of hydrogen is sourced from fossil fuels.
So whenever you see shit promoting hydrogen, read it as something promoting natural gas/ fossil fuels.
I don't think it's really fair to throw all hydrogen into one category when we already have terms to describe where the hydrogen is sourced. Green hydrogen specifically is sourced via electrolysis with renewables and isn't really a problem.
Eventually we will get to a point where we have days where we have more solar energy than we can use and storing it in some capacity would be nice. I don't know if hydrogen is a good way to store energy to be used in fuel cells but it can be used by airplanes in ways batteries simply can't manage.
We already do. Electricity is free here at peaks or sometimes you even get paid for it. The main problem is balancing the network but batteries are an easier solution for that.
It isnt that its a problem, its that its a fantasy. Its a useful fantasy that fossil fuel companies use to prop up hydrogen as the answer when what the mean is BAU.
Show me some major source of renewable generated hydrogen.
Otherwise, stop participating in the fantasy that gives fossil fuel companies a pass on green washing, because right now, there is no such thing as renewable hydrogen. Its 96% fossil fuels.
The bonus of hydrogen power is it can eventually be used for energy storage when the grid is fully renewable. This is useful for transportation of energy to other parts of the world by shipping hydrogen, but also locally to offset dips in production or peaks in demand. However, currently it is absolutely greenwashing.
The biggest point of me making a deal of this is that Hypx goes around propagandizing this shit, and if you arent paying attention, you might actually believe that hydrogen represent actually renewable tech. He spams this shit constantly and hasn't been banned on his lemmy home instance.
He's a completely bad faith actor.
Burning methane as a fuel is better for the climate than releasing it as methane. But the best thing would of course be to not release anythig at all
That's climate change denial rhetoric. Same was said about nearly everything until we started to build more wind and solar power. This is just a repeat of that tactic.
Its a simple fact, and your belligerent and ignorant promotion of a technology, which for all practice purposes, is a fossil fuel, is deeply immoral and a significant part of the problem.
Show me any meaningful production of hydrogen from non-fossil fuel sources and we can have a conversation. Until then, you are worse than a climate denialist and a significant part of the problem that the world currently faces.
Investing in hydrogen as a solution is the fossil fuel industries strategy for navigating how they'll still be able to keep doing BAU. Its a direct equivalent of clean coal or DAC. Imaginary technology that doesn't exist and wont at scale when we currently have all the technology we need, with a modicum of social change, do reduce most of the planets carbon impact to sustainable levels.
You are a deeply immoral and irresponsible person for the work that you do on behalf of promoting the farce of hydrogen as a solution for climate change.
Anyone treating hydrogen as a power SOURCE and not a form of power STORAGE is doing greenwashing.
EDIT: Wait a minute, your post sounds awfully similar to the talking points used by Kurzgesagt, the neoliberal youtube propagandist. You're subscribed to them, aren't you.