1y ago

Zelensky signs decree recognizing some Russian territories as historically inhabited by Ukrainians

kyivindependent.com /zelensky-signs-decree-territories-ukrainian/

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I wish we had a Zelensky here in the U.S. to help us combat conservatism.
- That would be John Stuart, if he ever decided to run for office. And holy fuck, he'd kill it. I mean, he says he doesn't want to do it, but he knows more about policy, politics, and how the game is played than most politicians.
  I get it, I wouldn't want to either, but daaaaamn. He'd rip conservative a politics about 5 new assholes.
  
  you know what they say, it's exactly the type of people that don't want to that should.
  
  Yeah, Stewart is the hero we need but don't deserve.
- What’s happening in the US isn’s even considered conservatism anymore. It’s the MAGA cult. I am definitely left, but conservatives don’t always need to be bad. It just so happens that the Republican Party has filled itself with people serving themselves and not the people who voted for them. Fingers crossed things go well this November.
  
  Fascism is the natural result of unchecked conservatism. We are watching that natural progression play out now.
  We've let conservatism go unchecked for so long that I think it will take physical action to stop the fascist infection at this point.
  
  When was the last time there was a conservative president in the US who didn't cause tremendous lasting damage to the country?
  
  Yeah I know what you mean. I want to have debates over subjects that are actually debatable. Big government vs. small government kind of discussions.
  Instead I feel like we're just struggling to constantly explain why burning down the Capitol and declaring Trump to be God Emperor is a bad idea.
  
  I agree. They were always the worse option in my lifetime when looking in the generic but individually some were and option and was a good hedge against radical left things to help keep things centered. Again that being said the us has always been to right to me.
  
  Conservatives are always bad.
  The past was not great for many peoples, today is still not great for many peoples, there is nothing to be gained from going back or staying still.
- Thanks for making another thread not about US only about US politics.
- You guys have Jon Stewart, unfortunately he does not want to get into politics.
  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jon-stewart-white-house-rn-2024-b2121500.html
  
  You nailed it! He is exactly who I was thinking of.
  
  We also have Michelle Obama, who also does not want to get into politics.
- Jon Oliver.
  
  Damn fine choice too!
As someone born in the Russia, I support Zelensky looking at the old borders of the Kievan Rus.
- From White to Black sea, Ukraine will be free
  
  As someone who’s homeland is also being forcefully taken from underneath us, I love that that.
- The problem is determining what from that period constitutes "Ukrainian" or "Russian". The old "Rus peoples" were a lot of relatively different yet also similar groups, that homogenize and heterogenize across time depending on different political and social conditions, which at a certain point in time during the modern age some intellectuals try to categorize and end up reaching some sort of consensus with "Russian", "Byelorussian" and "Ukrainian".
  In the end, forgetting this kind of nuance invites people who are a little shaky on the head to come up with pan-nationalist narratives that justify some sort of anachronistic imperialism. It's already bad enough that Putin's Z-morons are trying to appropriate Ukrainian identity as a breakaway of their own to justify ethnic cleansing, let's not have some Ukrainians that try and do the same but in reverse.
  
  It's way easier when you have a look at Muscovy, which is the core of the so-called Russian empire. Also, how Muscovy made a huge rebranding effort to be called Russia, at the expense of Kiev.
  The Russian imperialist narrative needs Kiev to be part of it precisely because that's the origin of the very identity it stole. Without it there's no grand history, no Orthodox legitimacy, just the history of being a Mongolian vassal.
What's the phrase again? Oh yes, turnabout is fair play. We need to clone Zelensky.
This is about combatting against Kremlin's expansionist propaganda, so I see it as an active effort to promote their own cultural and historical legacy.
- Exactly and frankly it's only right to point out this cultural heritage even if obviously Ukraine doesn't want to conquer these territories. Especially since Russia actively tries to rewrite cultural history about it. And that's by no means limited to people with Ukrainian roots in Russia but they actively rewrite Russian history to discredit dozens of cultural minorities. Very similar to China's ongoing "project" to make China as "Han Chinese" as possible.

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