Why is this so difficult?

I think Americans in general don't see it as a difficult choice to support Ukraine

Politicians find it difficult because Republicans are pro-russian, and both parties are heavily aligned with Israel. So Ukraines the only one really seeing any push back.

Fuck that, isreal is a terrorist state. Anyone voting for funding isreal is voting against human rights.
- Israel should still exist
Honestly surprised that I hear this so much. For context, I am not a Republican, so I'm not defending them, but every Republican I've talked to has been anti Russia to the max. They might disagree on the amount of money that we send Ukraine ("Why are we sending billions over there when we can't even figure out our own country" comes up a lot) but I've never heard a single one say anything in the support of Russia. It's so confusing when I hear people say conservatives are pro-Russia... Different ecosystems I guess
- I do believe they were referring quite specifically to the politicians, since on every side it seems politicians are disconnected from their constituents and do things those constituents absolutely wouldn't (this isn't some bizarre both-sides argument btw, just general frustration at the state of things)
Republicans aren't pro-Russia. Some just think war against Iran or China is a higher priority.
- The republican party has literally been proven to have received Russian bribes, but go on.

Fixed

Yes. As part of America, fuck this apartheid we’re funding.
MUCH Better
- Sorry, do you think bourgeois democracy is really democracy?
- You say this as if there were ever a choice to have a good government.
- first past the post did
- A bunch of people who won't accept moral accountability for what it does.

I’d revise that to “Republicans”

It was the Democrat president that bypassed congress twice to send munitions to Israel during it's active genocidal campaign so no, it's not Republicans.
- Also, Republicans want to send weapons and money to Israel and not to Ukraine, while Congressional/Biden admin Democrats want to do both. So with Republicans you get double the genocides.
- Politicians, yes, constituents, no.
I wanted to but changed it to "Americans" on the last minute.
- I think the majority of Americans don't really see a dilemma there.

You mean this Ukraine?

https://mronline.org/2022/07/12/the-ukrainian-army-is-murdering-the-donbass-children-with-the-help-and-approval-of-the-west/

First of all history began in 2022 not 2014, and second of all those children are Untermensch and don’t count.
In two days, the Ukrainian army’s terror shelling of residential areas in the DPR (Donetsk People’s Republic), some of which was carried out with weapons supplied by the West, has killed four children in the Donbass.
Yes, that’s also terrible.
Anything else to add to your whataboutism?
- It's not whataboutism. I'm not comparing anything. I'm simply pointing out that children are actually not safer by supporting the Kiev regime.

Saveing children by giveing guns to Azov...

Russian propaganda painting Azov as all 45 million people in Ukraine when in reality they represent a percent of a percent.
It's like saying we should invade the US because some of them are self professed neonazis. Absolutely bonkers unless you wanted to fabricate a reason to invade in the first place
- Do this small fringe percent have an official standing in the military?

We’re so far gone this meme wouldn’t work without the word “children”.

I find it funny that Americans (esp. Republicans) who love to «win» at all things, would be fine to allow Russia to win against the west in Ukraine. I think if they decide to stay on their isolationist path, Lavrov’s propaganda from earlier in the week will come true, and the US will seize to be a superpower. «Greatest country in the world»? Starting to look pretty weak to me.

The US is speed running the Empire game. They blitzed through the early game, beat a super power, became the dominant military force in the world, dominated in culture, and are now seeing how fast they can decline before the entire country implodes on itself.
- Capitalism made the system more efficient!

Well the leader of one side campaigned in 2016 on the promise of carpet bombing the Middle East and they side with Russia

These two conflicts have a lot of points of views. In russia ukraine its a bit easier because russia attacked ukriane so its pretty clear that russia is the "evil". But with israel and gaza a lot of people confuse palestinians with hamas and israeli people with the israeli government. Ad for why ukraine supports israel when they are much closer to gaza i think its because they really need the us and eu to help so they didnt even have an option.

I think it's more that people confuse the Israeli government with "the Jewish people", when the truth is that they are very separate. The Israeli people are somewhere in the middle. There seems to be a bunch of them who are quite supportive of their government's actions.
- Yeah true. A lot of people overlook things like jewish voice for peace and people like Bernie Sanders.

Or we fix some shit at home first.

There is always shit to solve, but right now, if ukraine's shit isn't solved soon enough, we all will have a lot of piled up shit to solve.
- Here's an idea go sign up as a volunteer in Ukraine and fight yourself instead of cheering on for other people to die for you, you disgusting sack of shit.
That never happens. Plus we don't have anyone bombing our kids.
- True, but many of them are being shot in our own schools.
Weaker Russia means lower need for future military spending, and it is cheaper to give old weapons to Ukraine than to dispose of them locally.
- Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years, meanwhile while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.. UK now can't even make steel from raw materials.
  Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
Pretending the rest of the world doesn't exist has not historically been a good strategy for any country.

Drag the war long enough and those children will grow up to be next in line as cannon fodder and the issue will solve itself.

Not a tough choice, send aid to Israel, stop jihadists from spreading their terror through the West.

Love to save ukrainian children by dragging the war on, making it deadlier and deadlier.

As Obama said, "Russia will always have escalatory dominance in the region"

A war with better armed Ukraine would be shorter.
We could make Russian dominance in the region history, just like the myth of their military competence is history.
- A war with better armed Ukraine would be shorter.
  We could make Russian dominance in the region history, just like the myth of their military competence is history.
  The "west" is running out of stockpiled munitions at this point.
  As Obama said, Russia will always have escalatory dominance in Ukraine. The Biden administration is just dragging out a loss.
- After two years, it's pretty clear that the west is not capable of doing anything of the sort. All the west managed to achieve was to ensure that hundreds of thousands of people died, and that Ukraine lost large parts of its territory in the process. We now have admissions from Ukrainian negotiators that a peace deal was close to being reached last March before the west sabotaged it.