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Almost half of Haley supporters say they would vote for Biden over Trump: Iowa poll

Just under half of likely Iowa GOP caucusgoers who support former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley indicated that they would make a crossover to the Democratic party, saying that they would rather vote for President Biden over former President Trump.

A new NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll released just one day before the Iowa caucuses found that 43 percent of Haley backers in the state said they would vote for Biden if Trump is the GOP nominee, while 23 percent say they would vote for the former president. Eight percent said they would vote for independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Overall, 71 percent of likely GOP caucusgoers said they would vote for Trump in 2024, while only 11 percent said they would vote for Biden.

“Haley is consolidating the anti-Trump vote,” J. Ann Selzer, a pollster who has conducted the Iowa survey over the last three decades, told NBC. “She does well with the people who define themselves as anti-Trump.”

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Well that’s good news. Now we just gotta see how well she does tomorrow. Biden might actually win in 2024. I’ve been feeling so negative about it because most Americans don’t understand what caused inflation and “well, the economy was better under Trump” means literally nothing when a global pandemic and regional wars fucked the world up
- The Trump economy is exactly why we're having this housing crisis. His administration kept interest rates insanely low, way after the economy had recovered from the recession. This resulted in an insane amount of borrowing, because even poor investments could easily beat the interest rate, so it was essentially free money.
  Well, surprise surprised, a ton of that borrowed money went straight into the real estate market as "safe" investments, which caused housing prices to sky rocket.
  The pandemic certainly added fuel to the fire, but people tend to forget the underlying cause of massive housing inflation - "free" money and a no brainer investment.
  The pandemic just fuel to the fire because everyone suddenly looked to upgrade their home situation, due to being stuck there on lock down.
  
  And speaking of fuel, there’s more domestic oil production under Biden than under Trump! How much do we hear them bitch about the price of gas? They’re so stupid
  
  Probably actually more a problem with fed policy under Obama. It's understandable that rates went to zero after 2008, but keeping them there for 7+ years doesn't look great in hindsight. Trump actually did hike rates prior to the Pandemic, with Obama doing a few small hikes right before he left office as well.
- Also, the weird truth is that the economy did better under both Obama and Biden than it did under trump, but the wingers don't let facts get in the way of their talking points. I've been worried about Haley getting the nomination because I think she could beat Biden. I don't think trump would. For me trump winning is scarier, but more unlikely.
  
  I’d be afraid of any GOP win. Trump rewrote the rules and they will never return to center. There is a chance who ever takes the torch from Trump is actually competent and that’s terrifying.
  
  Im scared of a Trump win but terrified of a Trump loss. What will happen if he loses a second general election? I would rather see Haley get the nomination because the Trumpers would write in Trump and Biden would win easily. I’m voting for Haley in my state’s primary lmao
  
  Legit question from a non-American - are Repubs really likely to vote for a woman for president?
- Yeah, well said. I’ve given up trying to convince my MAGA mom that had Trump gotten a second term, inflation would still be high. I walked her through everything that happened and asked her what was it that Biden did that made inflation bad. It’s just crickets. They hear “Biden bad, inflation his fault” and that’s enough for them.
  Until they can differentiate between a claim and a fact, we’re stuck with their alternative reality
  
  I wouldn't got that far but in general yes. Our ideas of the real world very much shape the world we live in. Which is only the case because all this tech and wealth and organization has shielded us from the real world.
I just don't understand some voters. At all.
- They are stupid. It's really that simple.
- nik haley is punjabi
  what is her real name?????
  
  She was raised Sikh by Sikh parents and now declares herself Christian. Nether Sikh nor Christian are Hindu
  Edit: person I replied to changed their post where they claimed she was Hindu
- We should never hope for Trump on the ballot. Even if that means Haley fuming it out with Uncle Joe. Trump should not be allowed to run. Period.
  
  THIS. I’ll take someone who hasn’t admitted that they plan on being a day-one dictator over one that has any day.
  
  Why do you think Democrat leadership keeps saying things like 'we need to best Trump at the polls'. They don't want to take Trump off the ballot because they know it reduces their chances. They're catering to a fascist so they can win an election. That was the 2016 strategy.
- In the event that Trump is in prison, or has a heart attack next month, or whatever, you'd see a depression among MAGA voters in the election. They wouldn't be enthusiastic and plenty of them would stay home. Trump gets really big turnout in these types and total votes would go below 2012 Republican numbers. For instance in 2020 Trump got 74 million votes. In 2012 Romney got 60 million. In 2008 McCain got 59 million. It's not that 14 million people shifted to the right after 2012, it's that they all came out to vote.
- Trump shouldn’t be on the ballot. He tried to lead a coup against his own country. He should be done.
  Doesn’t matter if there was 100% chance of Republicans losing with Trump vs. 100% chance of winning without him. He still should not be on the ballot ever again.
  This isn’t about teams or sides or who we want to win. The guy committed treason. We shouldn’t be legitimizing that by letting him run for fucking president. He should be in prison.
  200 years from now, students shouldn’t be learning that we tried to vote a treasonous authoritarian cult leader back into office. They should be learning that treason ends your political career forever.
- If Haley is the nominee, there's no way she beats Biden. Biden votes would be lessened because there'd be no anti-Trump vote but you still have abortion, weed, and student loan forgiveness on the table. Three super-popular policies that the dems have over the repubs and there's no chance Haley changes tack on abortion or loan forgiveness.
  
  It's fairly absurd to me that the Republicans think Trump is a force they need to protect at all.
  You can tie a President's hands pretty thoroughly with control of even one body of Congress, and it's not like Biden is actually fighting back that hard, because, after all, he ultimately just wants to protect the status quo.
  Ditch Trump, blame the Supreme Court just doing what the Constitution says to do, accept the loss you earned when you picked him in the first place, then whine about Biden's basic liberalism for another four years and get even more Congress critters in seats because people look at a President crippled by Congress and blame the President, not Congress.
- Obviously, vote no matter what. But I don't think this proves Nikki is the stronger candidate. For every 1 Nikki voter that votes for Biden over Trump, there may easily be 3 or 4 Trump voters who stay home rather than vote for Haley. Trump achieved unprecedented turnout in 2020 when he lost (because Biden achieved even more unprecedented turnout). I doubt Nikki can capture that same result
Almost half, so like what? 250 people?
- It's 11% of total GOP caucusgoers who would vote for Biden, it's significant.
- I'm assuming one of the Spice Girls
All five of them, huh?
It's not like Haley is middle-of-the-road compared to Trump, she's potentially just as right-wing (if not more) as he is, so are Republicans voting for her just looking for any alternative to Trump? Are they potentially more center-spectrum, just because they're willing to vote for a female candidate? It's still early in the process though, I'm sure when we get into the main election, those attitudes could potentially change as it comes down to it.
- Haley's policies are far-right. She's a threat in many ways. But she's not a threat to Democracy. She would be a terrible President, but that's still better than a horrible dictator.
- Trump has shown that he is a threat to the republic. Haley, not so much, even if her policies are too far right. So it's probably because they want someone to represent their views, but also recognize that Trump is an actual threat and don't feel the same way about Haley. . .which would explain why so many of them would vote for Biden.
  
  Yep. Haley's platforms may be similar to Trump, but she is not against democratic institutions. It's sad that the bar is now at "do they say they will be a dictator day 1", but here we are.
  If Haley was president, we would still have to fight tooth and nail, but I would be decently confident we would still have the ability to vote her out in 4 years.
- 100%. Voters think Hailey is a "moderate" Republican because she's a woman which feeds into their assumptions about women being more moderate in general. It's nothing more complicated than that.
  This person would pardon an insurrectionist. Either she has drunk deep of the Kool-aid, or she's as shameless and unprincipled as Trump, McCarthy and all the other GOP who will say literally anything for votes.
They’re lying
doubt
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A new NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll released just one day before the Iowa caucuses found that 43 percent of Haley backers in the state said they would vote for Biden if Trump is the GOP nominee, while 23 percent say they would vote for the former president.
Eight percent said they would vote for independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
“Haley is consolidating the anti-Trump vote,” J. Ann Selzer, a pollster who has conducted the Iowa survey over the last three decades, told NBC.
The poll also explored likely Iowa GOP caucusgoers’ view of Trump’s legal challenges.
The NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll was conducted Jan. 7-12 with 705 likely Republican Iowa caucusgoers.
The poll has an overall margin of error of plus or minus 3.7 percentage points.
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I find Haleys positions pretty level headed compared to the MAGA type. If I were republican, I would probably do the same.
- She’s not MAGA, but her continued gaffe about slavery and the southern states just tell me she’s a hard right republican, bigotry and regressive ideals included. So I put her in the Mike Pence box; MAGA enabler and flirting with them, but won’t go off the cliff even if they hang her. So participation points I guess?
- Yes, but that's exactly why you're not a Republican. You have reasonable, measured opinions on things.
- That's a pretty thin line considering she just was in a situation where she wouldn't admit the Civil War was about slavery.
  
  Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater! Republicans still very much like their racism, they don't want to be perceived as racists so readily.
- Her voting history while she was serving in South Carolina says otherwise.
  People should really know the bills she endorsed on things like abortion, immigration, and LGBTQ+ rights.
  One of the shorter excerpts from her wiki:
  "Haley has stated that, as a daughter of immigrants, she believes the immigration laws should be enforced.[53] She voted in favor of a law that requires employers to be able to prove that newly hired employees are legal residents of the United States, and also requires all immigrants to carry documentation at all times proving that they are legally in the United States."
  
  If you were a Republican, who would you vote for then?
This is why Trump will not be removed from the ballot, Biden loses if it's anyone else. Enforcing the law as written is as inconvenient for Dems as it is for Republicans.
- If Trump is removed from the ballot, Biden will get some "sudden" diagnosis that forces him to back out of the race for health reasons, then whats-her-name will get nominated by default.
  
  This is the same BS that was spewed when Biden first won, claiming it was a backdoor for Harris to be POTUS and he would step down as soon as he was inaugurated. . .and then 2 months. . .and then 2 years. How many times is this nonsense going to be pushed?
- yeah, definitely not the right time for that. 100%, two parties is insufficient and in an ideal world we would have 5-6 parties who actually discuss and compete over policy. but it would have to be accomplished strategically, not when totalitarianism is holding a full house.

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